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Upgraded to v12 PRO - now have too many versions of CATALOG

Irene McCullagh
I require some urgent help please:

For two months I used the Fuji free C1 Express version and loved it enough to purchase the full PRO on 09 Jan.

Unbeknown to me, C1 PRO seems to have created its database catalog under my Library->Pictures folder.

However, I continued saving to the same place I had specified in my backup dialogue, which is under a different internal hard-drive under Pictures 2018.

So currently I have discovered a huge database / catalog which is not being updated from the install of v12 and import of my C1X work here in the Library / Pictures area:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8a0nz34yu02jv ... e.JPG?dl=0

it is big:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vrdtrij81yl2j ... s.JPG?dl=0

This is where I'm saving current work to - last update from yesterday evening, 12 January.
No cache and no preview, only adjustments and a very small file size
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e5t10y0h4buks ... n.JPG?dl=0

Please tell me how to progress from here without it all getting totally confused?

Can I open my last saved catalog - the small one from last night - and on closing change its save-to location to go to the huge one in Libraries/Pictures? That is really NOT where I want to keep it, ideally, ongoing.

Could I thereafter create a totally new folder for 2019's catalogue and place it to where I want it after making sure that all the previous work is safe and sound in ONE place?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Hi,
    A few notes on how Windows works and how Capture One works.

    Capture One
    You have used CO Express since end September 18. Great. Express created one catalog, named Capture One Catalog. No doubts there because that is the only thing CO Express can do. It created it in the default Pictures location.
    Next, you went Pro begin January 19. Great again. Pro continued to work with your previously created Capture One Catalog in the same location. Unless you told Pro to do otherwise. I don’t think so because that would mean you started with a new catalog without images. You would have noticed that.

    Windows
    The Library > Pictures item is a virtual location. You can include any physical location into it. Library > Pictures is the default location so that looks normal. It seems that you have a D: drive with a Pictures folder, that is assigned to Library container. In other words, there is just one Capture One Catalog, but you find it in the virtual and physical location, resulting in confusion.

    Capture One
    You make catalog backups. You are the greatest. Everybody should do that. You make these to the Photos 2018 folder somewhere on your computer. These backups are small. These are no full catalogs, just the database and some adjustments files. That is fine.

    Big
    Your catalog is now 30GB. I do not know how much images you have imported, but perhaps you have imported the originals into the catalog, instead of leaving them where they were on your disks and import only a link. That is something to look into.
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  • Irene McCullagh
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    Hi,
    A few notes on how Windows works and how Capture One works.

    Capture One
    You have used CO Express since end September 18. Great. Express created one catalog, named Capture One Catalog. No doubts there because that is the only thing CO Express can do. It created it in the default Pictures location.
    Next, you went Pro begin January 19. Great again. Pro continued to work with your previously created Capture One Catalog in the same location. Unless you told Pro to do otherwise. I don’t think so because that would mean you started with a new catalog without images. You would have noticed that.

    Windows
    The Library > Pictures item is a virtual location. You can include any physical location into it. Library > Pictures is the default location so that looks normal. It seems that you have a D: drive with a Pictures folder, that is assigned to Library container. In other words, there is just one Capture One Catalog, but you find it in the virtual and physical location, resulting in confusion.

    Capture One
    You make catalog backups. You are the greatest. Everybody should do that. You make these to the Photos 2018 folder somewhere on your computer. These backups are small. These are no full catalogs, just the database and some adjustments files. That is fine.

    Big
    Your catalog is now 30GB. I do not know how much images you have imported, but perhaps you have imported the originals into the catalog, instead of leaving them where they were on your disks and import only a link. That is something to look into.


    Thank you enormously for your response which helps but creates more questions... sorry!
    Currently I never ever direct anything to go into Library / Pictures so I selected the backups to go to my G: Photos 2018 location when I consciously backed up. Thus I must assume the initial Express version put itself into Library / Pictures.

    I always left images at their current location - ie thinking that the catalogue/database would just 'point to' where they are located, without actually importing them INTO the catalogue (which I really don't want).

    To stop this monster from growing ever bigger in various places, please tell me how to amalgamate everything into ONE spot and will it allow me to eliminate / delete older backups that are just hanging around cluttering up my computer?

    I would like to begin a brand new folder to continue on with from now. I can treat the previous work as practise runs but would love one correctly set up working catalogue that I can trust to be correct and build up on from now ongoing.
    How do I achieve that? (without losing previous edits - I will still be able to access those from previous backups, right?)
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  • Irene McCullagh
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe4zmlxsv4m4o ... e.JPG?dl=0

    This is my import dialogue
    Should I set a 'backup to' location?

    As far as I know, I'm leaving the image RAWs in their original folder in my internal G: drive without importing
    them into the C1 catalogue
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    The Library concept is clearly confusing you. I personally do not know any Windows user who uses it or understands it. My advice, neglect it or remove it from your Windows Explorer (there are ways to do that, no instructions available). Forget it. It is just virtual. It does not really exist.

    Regarding your backups, just go to the G: Photos2018 location, and delete the older backups.

    I think you need somebody onsite or connect remotely to help you setup it properly that you feel confident. I do this kind of support (paid) but do not intend to use this free service for acquisition. So you must initiate that.
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  • Irene McCullagh
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    Regarding your backups, just go to the G: Photos2018 location, and delete the older backups.


    What is the reason that some of the backups 'contain' so much more than other backups?
    I am wary to delete chunks and then be stuck high and dry with missing information.
    And thanks again

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/kkuly34wfb2r7 ... e.JPG?dl=0
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Hmm, it is the first time I see Cache and Originals folders in a backup. I learn something new everyday. Maybe a trick from Windows version of Capture One (I usually work on macOS). I should look into this. I can not see the size from your screenshot, despite that it is very informative, but if the Cache folder contains the proxy files, that is what makes the backup large.

    Unless you like to go back to a certain date, there is no use to keep that backup. But ultimately it is your decision.
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  • Irene McCullagh
    How could I find out whether there are proxy files in the folder?
    Do I need to keep those? It seems to want to rebuild them each time I open the catalogue.
    (I know this because there are 3 that are damaged files and I get a notification each time that it was unable to build proxy files for those)
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="IreneMcC" wrote:
    How could I find out whether there are proxy files in the folder?

    Open the folder.
    [quote="IreneMcC" wrote:
    Do I need to keep those? It seems to want to rebuild them each time I open the catalogue.
    (I know this because there are 3 that are damaged files and I get a notification each time that it was unable to build proxy files for those)

    Proxies are automatically build when missing. When the catalog rebuilds your proxies each time you open it, there is something wrong. I suggest you contact the support department on this.
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  • Irene McCullagh
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    [quote="IreneMcC" wrote:
    How could I find out whether there are proxy files in the folder?

    Open the folder.
    [quote="IreneMcC" wrote:
    Do I need to keep those? It seems to want to rebuild them each time I open the catalogue.
    (I know this because there are 3 that are damaged files and I get a notification each time that it was unable to build proxy files for those)

    Proxies are automatically build when missing. When the catalog rebuilds your proxies each time you open it, there is something wrong. I suggest you contact the support department on this.


    I thank you for your ongoing assistance!
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