C1 with large number of files still unusable
I shoot fashion catalogue for a living and produce often large numbers of files. On my last job roughly 19000 images with a Sony A9.
As we had to split the files over various drives due to space limitations the session got a bit corrupted and confused and I thought I try to to the sensible thing and build a new catalogue.
One attempt was by importing the old session.
After about 16(!) hrs the import was finally ready. A few folders were not included so I thought I import them separately.
On my third imported folder Capture managed to crash.
Luckily the catalogue is still intact.
I tried to build a new catalogue with a back up drive on another computer by simply trying to import the folder structure. After 9 hrs and the announcement of 13hrs more I gave up.
What do I take from this experience:
To this day the problems with large numbers of files have not been fixed in Capture One and I find it actually outrageous as I keep paying upgrade fees hoping that I finally have a stable and professional product.
As much as I despise the idea: I will take a long and hard look at Lightroom again as Adobe claims it is faster now. At least their DAM functions have always been fast and rock solid. Something that can not be said of Capture One.
Are there any other users with similar experiences and problems? Is Phase One finally addressing these issues? Given some of the problems Capture One 11 had from the start I get the feeling that I am used as a beta tester by Phase One.
As we had to split the files over various drives due to space limitations the session got a bit corrupted and confused and I thought I try to to the sensible thing and build a new catalogue.
One attempt was by importing the old session.
After about 16(!) hrs the import was finally ready. A few folders were not included so I thought I import them separately.
On my third imported folder Capture managed to crash.
Luckily the catalogue is still intact.
I tried to build a new catalogue with a back up drive on another computer by simply trying to import the folder structure. After 9 hrs and the announcement of 13hrs more I gave up.
What do I take from this experience:
To this day the problems with large numbers of files have not been fixed in Capture One and I find it actually outrageous as I keep paying upgrade fees hoping that I finally have a stable and professional product.
As much as I despise the idea: I will take a long and hard look at Lightroom again as Adobe claims it is faster now. At least their DAM functions have always been fast and rock solid. Something that can not be said of Capture One.
Are there any other users with similar experiences and problems? Is Phase One finally addressing these issues? Given some of the problems Capture One 11 had from the start I get the feeling that I am used as a beta tester by Phase One.
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Another voice of frustration. I have a 45000 image catalog I brought over from LR. C1 is unstable to the point of unusable for a catalog this size (I'm using a MacPro with 64GB or RAM).
Looks like PhotoMechanic is the way to go before bringing in a subset to C1. Really crappy arrangement if you ask me. Maybe just back to LR. I'd really like to use C1... I've paid for it. But if I cannot rely on its file management then I might as well stay with LR and PS.
If it can't manage files with speed and reliability then the rest of the features don't matter.0 -
Ditto the ditto. I prefer C1 and it worked well enough when I shot corporate events and weddings and could use relatively small sessions per event, but I've changed tack in my photography, don't do events anymore, and the DAM side of C1 lacks the performance to continue with it. These complaints are not new. I'm afraid I've started a subscription with the other side. 0 -
Phase One has listened!
Today I received the email announcing 11.1. The site promised improved speed with large numbers of files. And they delivered. Just for fun I created a new catalogue with the 25000 files of a former job and it was done in a normal and timely fashion.
Congrats Phase One.
Now the question remains: Why did you release the earlier buggy version that caused so much headache for professionals in the first place. Still a great piece of software now please just improve your quality control.
At last happy again with Capture One. Further testing will follow.0 -
[quote="BerndInBerlin" wrote:
Phase One has listened!
Today I received the email announcing 11.1. The site promised improved speed with large numbers of files. And they delivered. Just for fun I created a new catalogue with the 25000 files of a former job and it was done in a normal and timely fashion.
Congrats Phase One.
Now the question remains: Why did you release the earlier buggy version that caused so much headache for professionals in the first place. Still a great piece of software now please just improve your quality control.
At last happy again with Capture One. Further testing will follow.
Please let us know how you fare. Is the catalog working as quickly as LR with filters etc? Or is it just the import process that doesn't stall anymore after several thousand images?0 -
Please let us know how you fare. Is the catalog working as quickly as LR with filters etc? Or is it just the import process that doesn't stall anymore after several thousand images?
Unfortunately it seems to be the import only that has been fixed. Which is a big step though.
Capture One is unable to produce Previews during that process - at least not with that speed.
Choosing "All images" and scrolling and trying to use filters and possibly viewing one file in the viewer at the same time is not possible.
Right now I am starring at the rotating beachball on my Mac once again whilst Capture One is grinding to a halt.
It seems like I have to wait about 20hrs before I can have Previews of all my files. But toggling between one folder and than back to "All Images" lets me view all the image previews without activities announcing 15 hrs of wait time. Unfortunately now all I get in my viewer window is a highly pixelated image in super low res. And no change after a minute.
Restarting Capture One helps but now I have to wait again for the app to build previews.
So it still seems buggy and extremely sluggish to me.
Still some work to be done. Maybe with 11.2 or 11.something we will get a properly working version. To answer your question: No - we are nowhere near the full speed of Lightroom with large amounts of files.0 -
Thanks, Bernd, for your elaborate reply. I'll not jump fully back in at this point in time then. 0 -
@Bernd:
I am very surprised with the slugginess you encounter with Capture One v11....
With my version, on my computer (MBP Retina 15" early 2014, 16 Go RAM, nvidia GT 750 2 Go), it takes about 3 seconds to display all images (about 18,000) and a request through the filters takes about 1 second.
I suggest you to put a case at the Phase One staff, if not already done.0 -
I guess @Bernd has an isolated problem as I don’t have any issue with the V11 at all with 20k images in the catalogue plus my catalogue is referenced and managed. CO requires a good system plus I personally think it is not fair to expect the system will try to import 25k images and simultaneously show you all the previews and let you play with filters. Sometimes I import full 128GB full SD card images from my D750 and it doesn’t take more than an hour to get all the previews and everything. Meanwhile the system is still operational with other already imported images. 0 -
[quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
@Bernd:
I am very surprised with the slugginess you encounter with Capture One v11....
With my version, on my computer (MBP Retina 15" early 2014, 16 Go RAM, nvidia GT 750 2 Go), it takes about 3 seconds to display all images (about 18,000) and a request through the filters takes about 1 second.
I suggest you to put a case at the Phase One staff, if not already done.
My 2017 MBP, equipped to the max, is way more sluggish than you describe with a catalog of 20.000 images. Importing those images in 11.0 was only possible in small batches as the program would grind to a halt if I tried to import more than roughly 7000 images (if I remember correctly). My previous MBP displayed the same problems but I could put the blame on the older internals - even though the main competitor had no problems with it.
I’m happy that this problem isn’t omnipresent and that it works for possibly a lot of people. But I t’s not isolated either, unfortunately.0 -
Hi Emile,
There are two different issues:
- the import
- the catalog management
I haven't tried yet the import of thousands of images with the new 11.1 release, but Phase One says it works much better, and I understand it's not really the case. Actually, I never need to import thousands (or even hundreds) of pictures at a time, and I can't help you.
What I say is that the catalog works far better since version 11 (display of all images and filter requests).0 -
[quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
Hi Emile,
There are two different issues:
- the import
- the catalog management
I haven't tried yet the import of thousands of images with the new 11.1 release, but Phase One says it works much better, and I understand it's not really the case. Actually, I never need to import thousands (or even hundreds) of pictures at a time, and I can't help you.
What I say is that the catalog works far better since version 11 (display of all images and filter requests).
Good to know, thanks! That at least sounds hopeful!
Have a great weekend everyone,
Emile0 -
[quote="fatihayoglu" wrote:
I guess @Bernd has an isolated problem as I don’t have any issue with the V11 at all with 20k images in the catalogue plus my catalogue is referenced and managed. CO requires a good system plus I personally think it is not fair to expect the system will try to import 25k images and simultaneously show you all the previews and let you play with filters. Sometimes I import full 128GB full SD card images from my D750 and it doesn’t take more than an hour to get all the previews and everything. Meanwhile the system is still operational with other already imported images.
Didn't make myself perfectly clear I guess.
The import was done already. Took about an hour which I consider ok for the amount of files. I opted for another folder to display whilst I was importing to make sure it wouldn't build all previews as this would take much much longer.
Someone else mentioned that I need a good system.
I am running a fairly old but still very powerful MacPro 5.1. with a 6core 3.33 GHZ with 32GB and a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 TI with 6GB RAM as a GPU. I consider this a pretty powerful Mac system.
And as mentioned many times before: All seems fine with smaller amounts of images. Unfortunately my job sometimes requires working with very large numbers of files.
And what bothers me the most: The Adobe competitor proves that working with large numbers of images is possible on my system.
I am sure there are a lot of people who are happy with Capture One as it is (I am most of the times as well for "smaller" projects) but others wo like me sometimes produce 25000 or more files within a week will understand my frustration.0 -
[quote="BerndInBerlin" wrote:
[quote="fatihayoglu" wrote:
I guess @Bernd has an isolated problem as I don’t have any issue with the V11 at all with 20k images in the catalogue plus my catalogue is referenced and managed. CO requires a good system plus I personally think it is not fair to expect the system will try to import 25k images and simultaneously show you all the previews and let you play with filters. Sometimes I import full 128GB full SD card images from my D750 and it doesn’t take more than an hour to get all the previews and everything. Meanwhile the system is still operational with other already imported images.
Didn't make myself perfectly clear I guess.
The import was done already. Took about an hour which I consider ok for the amount of files. I opted for another folder to display whilst I was importing to make sure it wouldn't build all previews as this would take much much longer.
Someone else mentioned that I need a good system.
I am running a fairly old but still very powerful MacPro 5.1. with a 6core 3.33 GHZ with 32GB and a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 TI with 6GB RAM as a GPU. I consider this a pretty powerful Mac system.
And as mentioned many times before: All seems fine with smaller amounts of images. Unfortunately my job sometimes requires working with very large numbers of files.
And what bothers me the most: The Adobe competitor proves that working with large numbers of images is possible on my system.
I am sure there are a lot of people who are happy with Capture One as it is (I am most of the times as well for "smaller" projects) but others wo like me sometimes produce 25000 or more files within a week will understand my frustration.
Which Lightroom are you talking about ?
Classic or the new CC ?
I’ve been toying with the latest version of both during the past week with about 22K images,
and my experience is exactly the opposite.
If you’re talking about CC, yes there is an significantly different user experience, but it so dumbed down I don’t think the comparison has much meaning.
Lightroom classic in the other hand is even worse than C1: building standard previews while importing, not only made the software basically unusable for about a day, but also didn’t allow me to use the computer for anything else, as it was indiscriminately eating up all the resources.
After that was finished, I turned on face detection: this has been running for a couple of days now and seems to be at 60%, and my computer is still quite unusable.
I have the latest, fully loaded MacBook Pro.
I’ve been very frustrated with the lack of any progress on the DAM features of C1 ( as PhaseOne doesn’t seem to give a damn), and was investigating some of the other available options, and once again got very disappointed ( you can get cloud, faces, places and good DAM features only if you’re willing to sacrifice raw quality it seems) - but all this is another story....0 -
Which Lightroom are you talking about ?
Classic or the new CC ?
I’ve been toying with the latest version of both during the past week with about 22K images,
and my experience is exactly the opposite.
If you’re talking about CC, yes there is an significantly different user experience, but it so dumbed down I don’t think the comparison has much meaning.
Lightroom classic in the other hand is even worse than C1: building standard previews while importing, not only made the software basically unusable for about a day, but also didn’t allow me to use the computer for anything else, as it was indiscriminately eating up all the resources.
After that was finished, I turned on face detection: this has been running for a couple of days now and seems to be at 60%, and my computer is still quite unusable.
I have the latest, fully loaded MacBook Pro.
I’ve been very frustrated with the lack of any progress on the DAM features of C1 ( as PhaseOne doesn’t seem to give a damn), and was investigating some of the other available options, and once again got very disappointed ( you can get cloud, faces, places and good DAM features only if you’re willing to sacrifice raw quality it seems) - but all this is another story....
Sorry for not being specific.
Lightroom Classic CC Release 7.3 Camera Raw 10.3
I had not used LR in a while before this release as I have been pretty dedicated to Capture so I can't tell in which version Adobe finally improved the speed but it was only very recent.
Lightroom CC I haven't even tested as it is of no interest to me and certainly makes no sense with the amount of data I have to move around on jobs.
And if I remember correctly: I tried face recognition once. It is not really of any interest to me and my work and seems to need a massive amount of precessing power. I consider it a nice gimmick that is only in the way in professional use (maybe wedding photographers have a different opinion?).
It might be interesting to share what files we are using.
I recently switched from Canon 5D Mark IIIs to Sony A9s. I am processing uncompressed Sony Raw files.
For some time I had used for some productions Fuji X-T2s. And Fuji was part of the reason I stuck with Capture as Lightroom not only produces inferior images but seems to have a major problem rendering these files. It takes for ever and everything becomes unresponsive.
With the latest version of Lightroom and the Sony A9 files I witnessed the described behaviour. Lightroom handles imports (and creating previews) much much faster than Capture One and seems overall less buggy and sluggish. And I am using together with my digital operator multiple Computers. The portable devices are Macbooks with the highes specs from 2016. And I come to the same conclusion on all our machines.0 -
And one thing I want to add: I have no desire to diss Capture One or actually switch back for my commercial work to Lightroom as such a change is a lot of work and requires massive retraining and changes to the standard workflow.
And Phase needs to be applauded for the latest update. Version 11.1 brought C1 from IMHO "unusable with large numbers of files" to just significant slower than it's largest competitor. Something I might learn to live with as these huge imports generally only happen once when a job is finished and the sessions from the portable devices need to be imported in a catalogue on a stationary workstation in my office.
It would save me from the headache of the workflow change.
So on a positive note: Phase One, keep improving the DAM function. You are on the right path.0 -
[quote="BerndInBerlin" wrote:
[quote="fatihayoglu" wrote:
I guess @Bernd has an isolated problem as I don’t have any issue with the V11 at all with 20k images in the catalogue plus my catalogue is referenced and managed. CO requires a good system plus I personally think it is not fair to expect the system will try to import 25k images and simultaneously show you all the previews and let you play with filters. Sometimes I import full 128GB full SD card images from my D750 and it doesn’t take more than an hour to get all the previews and everything. Meanwhile the system is still operational with other already imported images.
Didn't make myself perfectly clear I guess.
The import was done already. Took about an hour which I consider ok for the amount of files. I opted for another folder to display whilst I was importing to make sure it wouldn't build all previews as this would take much much longer.
Someone else mentioned that I need a good system.
I am running a fairly old but still very powerful MacPro 5.1. with a 6core 3.33 GHZ with 32GB and a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 TI with 6GB RAM as a GPU. I consider this a pretty powerful Mac system.
And as mentioned many times before: All seems fine with smaller amounts of images. Unfortunately my job sometimes requires working with very large numbers of files.
And what bothers me the most: The Adobe competitor proves that working with large numbers of images is possible on my system.
I am sure there are a lot of people who are happy with Capture One as it is (I am most of the times as well for "smaller" projects) but others wo like me sometimes produce 25000 or more files within a week will understand my frustration.
Are you using OpenCl and hardware accelaration? Toggling that in and off provides quite visible speed differences in my system. Also, have you ever written to PO about this, in my experience they are quite responsive.0 -
[quote="BerndInBerlin" wrote:
Which Lightroom are you talking about ?
Classic or the new CC ?
I’ve been toying with the latest version of both during the past week with about 22K images,
and my experience is exactly the opposite.
If you’re talking about CC, yes there is an significantly different user experience, but it so dumbed down I don’t think the comparison has much meaning.
Lightroom classic in the other hand is even worse than C1: building standard previews while importing, not only made the software basically unusable for about a day, but also didn’t allow me to use the computer for anything else, as it was indiscriminately eating up all the resources.
After that was finished, I turned on face detection: this has been running for a couple of days now and seems to be at 60%, and my computer is still quite unusable.
I have the latest, fully loaded MacBook Pro.
I’ve been very frustrated with the lack of any progress on the DAM features of C1 ( as PhaseOne doesn’t seem to give a damn), and was investigating some of the other available options, and once again got very disappointed ( you can get cloud, faces, places and good DAM features only if you’re willing to sacrifice raw quality it seems) - but all this is another story....
Sorry for not being specific.
Lightroom Classic CC Release 7.3 Camera Raw 10.3
I had not used LR in a while before this release as I have been pretty dedicated to Capture so I can't tell in which version Adobe finally improved the speed but it was only very recent.
Lightroom CC I haven't even tested as it is of no interest to me and certainly makes no sense with the amount of data I have to move around on jobs.
And if I remember correctly: I tried face recognition once. It is not really of any interest to me and my work and seems to need a massive amount of precessing power. I consider it a nice gimmick that is only in the way in professional use (maybe wedding photographers have a different opinion?).
It might be interesting to share what files we are using.
I recently switched from Canon 5D Mark IIIs to Sony A9s. I am processing uncompressed Sony Raw files.
For some time I had used for some productions Fuji X-T2s. And Fuji was part of the reason I stuck with Capture as Lightroom not only produces inferior images but seems to have a major problem rendering these files. It takes for ever and everything becomes unresponsive.
With the latest version of Lightroom and the Sony A9 files I witnessed the described behaviour. Lightroom handles imports (and creating previews) much much faster than Capture One and seems overall less buggy and sluggish. And I am using together with my digital operator multiple Computers. The portable devices are Macbooks with the highes specs from 2016. And I come to the same conclusion on all our machines.
Interesting.... it may indeed by raw specific
I am using the same version of Lightroom Classic. My images are main Canon raws (20D,7D, 5DMIV).
I have never found Lightroom to be better at anything, and always more resource hungry (although it has improved some with the latest version). I try it every now and then (I have an full Adobe subscription), but every time I get disappointed and revert back to good old trusty C1 which I know will give me at least great results with minimal effort from my raws, although is a pain to navigate through my library.
I've always wondered why a company of such great resources don't just hire an extra developer or two, to work on this, and thus make C1 a truly killer all-in-one product.0 -
[quote="Harry25" wrote:
[quote="BerndInBerlin" wrote:
Which Lightroom are you talking about ?
Classic or the new CC ?
I’ve been toying with the latest version of both during the past week with about 22K images,
and my experience is exactly the opposite.
If you’re talking about CC, yes there is an significantly different user experience, but it so dumbed down I don’t think the comparison has much meaning.
Lightroom classic in the other hand is even worse than C1: building standard previews while importing, not only made the software basically unusable for about a day, but also didn’t allow me to use the computer for anything else, as it was indiscriminately eating up all the resources.
After that was finished, I turned on face detection: this has been running for a couple of days now and seems to be at 60%, and my computer is still quite unusable.
I have the latest, fully loaded MacBook Pro.
I’ve been very frustrated with the lack of any progress on the DAM features of C1 ( as PhaseOne doesn’t seem to give a damn), and was investigating some of the other available options, and once again got very disappointed ( you can get cloud, faces, places and good DAM features only if you’re willing to sacrifice raw quality it seems) - but all this is another story....
Sorry for not being specific.
Lightroom Classic CC Release 7.3 Camera Raw 10.3
I had not used LR in a while before this release as I have been pretty dedicated to Capture so I can't tell in which version Adobe finally improved the speed but it was only very recent.
Lightroom CC I haven't even tested as it is of no interest to me and certainly makes no sense with the amount of data I have to move around on jobs.
And if I remember correctly: I tried face recognition once. It is not really of any interest to me and my work and seems to need a massive amount of precessing power. I consider it a nice gimmick that is only in the way in professional use (maybe wedding photographers have a different opinion?).
It might be interesting to share what files we are using.
I recently switched from Canon 5D Mark IIIs to Sony A9s. I am processing uncompressed Sony Raw files.
For some time I had used for some productions Fuji X-T2s. And Fuji was part of the reason I stuck with Capture as Lightroom not only produces inferior images but seems to have a major problem rendering these files. It takes for ever and everything becomes unresponsive.
With the latest version of Lightroom and the Sony A9 files I witnessed the described behaviour. Lightroom handles imports (and creating previews) much much faster than Capture One and seems overall less buggy and sluggish. And I am using together with my digital operator multiple Computers. The portable devices are Macbooks with the highes specs from 2016. And I come to the same conclusion on all our machines.
Interesting.... it may indeed by raw specific
I am using the same version of Lightroom Classic. My images are main Canon raws (20D,7D, 5DMIV).
I have never found Lightroom to be better at anything, and always more resource hungry (although it has improved some with the latest version). I try it every now and then (I have an full Adobe subscription), but every time I get disappointed and revert back to good old trusty C1 which I know will give me at least great results with minimal effort from my raws, although is a pain to navigate through my library.
I've always wondered why a company of such great resources don't just hire an extra developer or two, to work on this, and thus make C1 a truly killer all-in-one product.
And another thing to be more fair to C1: the library size is much improved compared to Lightroom.
My catalog library (of referenced files) is 26Gb (with a preview size for all images of 2560px)
The same thing in Lightroom with standard previews comes to 31Gb, but interestingly enough also writes to places like ~/Library/Caches/Adobe Camera Raw and ~/Library/Caches/Adobe another 10Gb
So that's a huge difference...0 -
[quote="Harry25" wrote:
Which Lightroom are you talking about ?
Classic or the new CC ?
I’ve been toying with the latest version of both during the past week with about 22K images,
and my experience is exactly the opposite.
If you’re talking about CC, yes there is an significantly different user experience, but it so dumbed down I don’t think the comparison has much meaning.
Lightroom classic in the other hand is even worse than C1: building standard previews while importing, not only made the software basically unusable for about a day, but also didn’t allow me to use the computer for anything else, as it was indiscriminately eating up all the resources.
After that was finished, I turned on face detection: this has been running for a couple of days now and seems to be at 60%, and my computer is still quite unusable.
I have the latest, fully loaded MacBook Pro.
I’ve been very frustrated with the lack of any progress on the DAM features of C1 ( as PhaseOne doesn’t seem to give a damn), and was investigating some of the other available options, and once again got very disappointed ( you can get cloud, faces, places and good DAM features only if you’re willing to sacrifice raw quality it seems) - but all this is another story....
Just to make matters more confusing than humanly possible, my experience on what seems to be exactly the same machine is opposite yours. I've just taken up a subscription with Adobe and LR Classic CC really flies. I really like the new color profiles. Building previews and exporting doesn't take any longer than it does on C1. Note: face detection doesn't turn me on so I didn't turn it on either 😉
With the absence of great strides on the DAM side of C1, the lack of a radial mask, and the new color profiles in LR, I've basically decided to go back to Adobe. I hope it's only temporary - I really like C1, I really hate subscription software. But there it is.0 -
[quote="Emile" wrote:
[quote="Harry25" wrote:
Which Lightroom are you talking about ?
Classic or the new CC ?
I’ve been toying with the latest version of both during the past week with about 22K images,
and my experience is exactly the opposite.
If you’re talking about CC, yes there is an significantly different user experience, but it so dumbed down I don’t think the comparison has much meaning.
Lightroom classic in the other hand is even worse than C1: building standard previews while importing, not only made the software basically unusable for about a day, but also didn’t allow me to use the computer for anything else, as it was indiscriminately eating up all the resources.
After that was finished, I turned on face detection: this has been running for a couple of days now and seems to be at 60%, and my computer is still quite unusable.
I have the latest, fully loaded MacBook Pro.
I’ve been very frustrated with the lack of any progress on the DAM features of C1 ( as PhaseOne doesn’t seem to give a damn), and was investigating some of the other available options, and once again got very disappointed ( you can get cloud, faces, places and good DAM features only if you’re willing to sacrifice raw quality it seems) - but all this is another story....
Just to make matters more confusing than humanly possible, my experience on what seems to be exactly the same machine is opposite yours. I've just taken up a subscription with Adobe and LR Classic CC really flies. I really like the new color profiles. Building previews and exporting doesn't take any longer than it does on C1. Note: face detection doesn't turn me on so I didn't turn it on either 😉
With the absence of great strides on the DAM side of C1, the lack of a radial mask, and the new color profiles in LR, I've basically decided to go back to Adobe. I hope it's only temporary - I really like C1, I really hate subscription software. But there it is.
C1 seems to very, very slowly add/improve features that make their DAM more usable. I don't think it's a priority for them, and I am sure they fail to grasp the importance and added value it will add to their product.
I have resorted to keeping my images catalogued in both apps. I do next to no processing in Lightroom Classic (just the new auto adjust which has improved from unusable to pretty good), but use it for the mobile sync feature, to have access to my images anytime from phones/tablets or remotely, and also places and automatic face detection.
Mobile sync is another important feature that I don't see happening any time soon (capture pilot has a completely different purpose), which most existing and expected alternatives seem to have thought of and cover one way or another.0 -
Harry25 wrote:
C1 seems to very, very slowly add/improve features that make their DAM more usable. I don't think it's a priority for them, and I am sure they fail to grasp the importance and added value it will add to their product.
I have resorted to keeping my images catalogued in both apps. I do next to no processing in Lightroom Classic (just the new auto adjust which has improved from unusable to pretty good), but use it for the mobile sync feature, to have access to my images anytime from phones/tablets or remotely, and also places and automatic face detection.
Mobile sync is another important feature that I don't see happening any time soon (capture pilot has a completely different purpose), which most existing and expected alternatives seem to have thought of and cover one way or another.
Latest observation in that matter:
Just getting rid of obsolete files, roughly 15000 in a large catalogue.
Lightroom was able to take them out of the catalogue AND actually move them into the trash on my Mac within 5 minutes.
Capture One needs for simply updating the catalogue (after the files have already been moved to the trash) 45 minutes.
Exactly as Harry25 said. DAM not really up to date and clearly not a priority.
My conclusion once again: Lightroom for large commercial jobs with large numbers of files and when speed is essential. Capture One for the "slow" stuff.0
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