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  • cdc
    I bet it felt good to get that off your chest.
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  • Luke Miller
    The new layers capability justified my upgrade to Ver. 11, but the upgrade is probably not worthwhile for those who don't require that feature. I use Lightroom and C1 together. Everything is imported to my Lightroom catalog, but I use C1 for critical work or large image files. Even the latest Lightroom version lags C1 in terms of performance, particularly with large files.
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  • Irvin Gomez
    [quote="Luke_Miller" wrote:
    The new layers capability justified my upgrade to Ver. 11, but the upgrade is probably not worthwhile for those who don't require that feature. I use Lightroom and C1 together. Everything is imported to my Lightroom catalog, but I use C1 for critical work or large image files. Even the latest Lightroom version lags C1 in terms of performance, particularly with large files.


    The new layers capability is very good - but I use Photoshop with regularity, so it’s not compelling to me. In all honesty, Capture One 11 feels like a nice point release, not a full upgrade. Still waiting for a blur brush...but maybe not a popular wish...
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  • WPNL
    [quote="Irv00" wrote:
    . Still waiting for a blur brush...but maybe not a popular wish...

    Me too, remarkable how we're supposed to be content with negative clarity as a 'blurring tool', haven't given up hope though..
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  • Ian Wilson
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    [quote="WPNL" wrote:
    [quote="Irv00" wrote:
    . Still waiting for a blur brush...but maybe not a popular wish...

    Me too, remarkable how we're supposed to be content with negative clarity as a 'blurring tool', haven't given up hope though..

    Negative clarity was not designed or promoted as a blur brush, but some users have found it slightly useful for that purpose. One of the questions here is how much C1 should aim to be mainly a raw processor, and how much it should aim to be a substitute for everything a program like Photoshop does. And for a user who uses Photoshop with some regularity, why do you feel the need to have a blur brush in C1 when PS does that kind of thing well? (Not being critical, Irv00, just wondering.)

    Ian
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  • WPNL
    [quote="Ian3" wrote:
    just wondering.)

    viewtopic.php?f=72&t=27386#p129662
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  • Ian Wilson
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    [quote="WPNL" wrote:
    [quote="Ian3" wrote:
    just wondering.)

    https://forum.phaseone.com/En/viewtopic ... 86#p129662

    Yes, I understand what a blur tool would be good for. I just wondered why someone who uses PS a lot anyway would feel the need to do that in C1 rather than in PS.

    Ian
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  • WPNL
    [quote="Ian3" wrote:
    [quote="WPNL" wrote:
    [quote="Ian3" wrote:
    just wondering.)

    viewtopic.php?f=72&t=27386#p129662

    Yes, I understand what a blur tool would be good for. I just wondered why someone who uses PS a lot anyway would feel the need to do that in C1 rather than in PS.

    Ian

    That's quite simple: to keep the workflow clean and centralized.
    I understand there has to be a point where someone says 'this is a raw editor so it's not for this application'.
    But why is there a sharpen tool (which is superb compared to LR) and no blur (or negative sharpen tool? 😉
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  • John Doe
    Clarity and Structure tools can be set from -100 to +100, Sharpening turn all the way down to 0, and you can add Clarity and Structure as local adjustments (here again, from -100 to +100).
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  • WPNL
    [quote="John Doe" wrote:
    Clarity and Structure tools can be set from -100 to +100, Sharpening turn all the way down to 0, and you can add Clarity and Structure as local adjustments (here again, from -100 to +100).

    I know, values however don't mean a thing...
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  • Irvin Gomez
    [quote="WPNL" wrote:
    [quote="Ian3" wrote:
    just wondering.)

    Yes, I understand what a blur tool would be good for. I just wondered why someone who uses PS a lot anyway would feel the need to do that in C1 rather than in PS.

    Ian

    That's quite simple: to keep the workflow clean and centralized.
    I understand there has to be a point where someone says 'this is a raw editor so it's not for this application'.
    But why is there a sharpen tool (which is superb compared to LR) and no blur (or negative sharpen tool? 😉


    Exactly.

    In fact, there should be a simple implementation for both sharpening and blurring dedicated brushes, along with layers:
    1. Add layer
    2. Grab brush and 'paint in' effect (blurring or sharpening). No need for previous masking.

    What we have right now with "negative clarity" is just a clumsy workaround. Capture One is, to me at least, a high-end raw converter that should be a bit more sophisticated in the dedicated tools department.
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  • Ian Wilson
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    [quote="Irv00" wrote:
    [quote="WPNL" wrote:
    [quote="Ian3" wrote:
    just wondering.)

    Yes, I understand what a blur tool would be good for. I just wondered why someone who uses PS a lot anyway would feel the need to do that in C1 rather than in PS.

    Ian

    That's quite simple: to keep the workflow clean and centralized.
    I understand there has to be a point where someone says 'this is a raw editor so it's not for this application'.
    But why is there a sharpen tool (which is superb compared to LR) and no blur (or negative sharpen tool? 😉


    Exactly.

    In fact, there should be a simple implementation for both sharpening and blurring dedicated brushes, along with layers:
    1. Add layer
    2. Grab brush and 'paint in' effect (blurring or sharpening). No need for previous masking.

    What we have right now with "negative clarity" is just a clumsy workaround. Capture One is, to me at least, a high-end raw converter that should be a bit more sophisticated in the dedicated tools department.


    For sharpening at least you can work exactly like that. Add your layer. Turn up the sharpening slider to the extent you want, then brush it in. No need to mask first.

    Ian
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