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SSD's and CaptureOne

Stretch Tuemmler
So my shooting tower's hard drive became corrupt the end of last week and Apple determined 0 data on it... stuff happens. Not a big deal, just my system. All my data is on another drive and backed up.

I was getting ready to get this set up and I thought that maybe this is the time to consider a SSD drive for my OS. 2.4 ghz 8 core Intel Xeon. Currently a 1 T drive for the system and a 2 T drive for my data. Like everything I hear mixed things. We are talking about performance with CaptureOne. I shoot with a Phase 645DF/ P65+. I know the computer and software will launch faster but will I notice a difference when doing things in CaptureOne? Don't get me wrong, things are pretty speedy now but of course I want it more responsive. I could either still have my session on my data drive like I do now or it probably makes the most sense to keep my current session on the SSD and move it to the data drive at the end of day. Typically I'm only shooting about 20 G per day. I have read that more maintenance is required with the SSD which is a concern since I want less to do.

While I'm getting this up to speed I thought I would beef up my memory. Has 8 GB now, thinking I would take it to 24 unless more will help. Looking at the SSD drives at OWC but open to ideas.

Thanks,

Stretch
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  • rap_digital
    All my systems now have atleast a SSD for the shoot drive and most (all but one) have ssd for boot aswell. But I'm a digi tech for fashion shooters generating between 70-400gb a day.

    In your case I would stick with a couple 3TB hard drives Western Dig black or Hitachi E's I think they are and stick in a bunch of ram. I recently swapped out a 4870 graphics card for a 285GTX and have noticed previews render a bit faster.

    The maintenance required for SSD is good practice for any drive anyway. Once a month (typically) I boot to clean clone of my boot drive erase the internal boot drive (including to erase the free space) and then clone the backup back to the internal boot.

    just my 2c
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  • Stretch Tuemmler
    Thanks Rick for your input! Are you suggesting a SSD fot the boot drive and keeping my data on the Western Digital Black? Currently my data is on Western Digital Green.Any preference on what SSD manufacturer? I assume the boot drive can be very small if it's just holding the OS. Is it still prefered to keep data off the boot drive or would it make sense to have my current session on the boot drive in which case the SSD would have to be a little larger.

    For back up we use Time Machine targeting a Drobo Pro FS network drive. Any issues cloning from Time Machine or I could use Carbon Copy Cloner?

    I appreciate the help,

    Stretch

    [quote="rap_digital" wrote:
    All my systems now have atleast a SSD for the shoot drive and most (all but one) have ssd for boot aswell. But I'm a digi tech for fashion shooters generating between 70-400gb a day.

    In your case I would stick with a couple 3TB hard drives Western Dig black or Hitachi E's I think they are and stick in a bunch of ram. I recently swapped out a 4870 graphics card for a 285GTX and have noticed previews render a bit faster.

    The maintenance required for SSD is good practice for any drive anyway. Once a month (typically) I boot to clean clone of my boot drive erase the internal boot drive (including to erase the free space) and then clone the backup back to the internal boot.

    just my 2c
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  • rap_digital
    I'm not sure that your style of shooting would benefit from have a SSD. As boot drive you would certainly boot fast and restart fast and re-launch CaptureOne fast all things I tend to need to do often in an average week. Having a SSD for shoot drive increases your ability to process Lo/Hi res while you are shooting, shows a folder full of images faster (this seems less significant than it is).

    WD green drives are great for archiving, its one of the types I use for my near-line archive. But for a shoot drive I would feel it way too slow. Its about 2/3 the speed of the 3tb hitachi.

    I have never used timemachine!
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  • Peter Grüner
    Hi,

    I am running SSD's on my MacBookPro and my MacPro as boot drive and for my most recent images. Several "things" seem to be quicker. I would recommend look at this site here: http://macperformanceguide.com

    Peter
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  • Kit Laughlin
    I use only SSDs as system (boot) drives these days, and have since I installed one in a Mac Pro. The difference in performance (opening Photoshop, for example) is really tangible.

    In my current setup I use an OWC one in a MaBook Pro (quad core i7); and I capture to a second SSD via FW800.

    One other benefit is not often mentioned: I dropped a previous 13" MBP, also fitted with an SSD, from over two metres onto its corner onto concrete, while the machine was turned on. It opened and started immediately; these drive are bulletproof in this regard, and in my view should be retrofitted to any on-location machine for this reason alone.
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  • dale11833
    Hello,

    Regarding the use of a separate boot and shoot drive, why not use 1 SSD as boot and shoot drive?
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  • Stretch Tuemmler
    That was my thought and store the non active sessions on a regular Sata drive.

    [quote="dale11833" wrote:
    Hello,

    Regarding the use of a separate boot and shoot drive, why not use 1 SSD as boot and shoot drive?
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  • dale11833
    Would tethered capture be faster if I used a separate boot/apps volume and shoot/data volume as opposed to using one larger SSD volume for both boot and data?
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  • rap_digital
    My experience is that c1is far more reliable with a separate shoot volume with permissions disabled. This may have changed since ver. 5 and may only be needed with really large sessions.
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  • NNN634368540064008068
    I have a new i7 mbp running the newest version of capture one pro... having some odd issues with the SSD that are C1p specific. Benchmarks and general computer operation is off the charts fast... but capture one seems to lag on displaying the incoming images from p30/45 backs and even bigger canon files... I can't imagine any reason a spinning drive would be faster w/ C1P... anyone else have this issue at all?

    Thx

    I7 Quad Core MBP
    Crucial m4 256 GB SSD - clean install, newest lion release, no trim.
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  • DrLaban
    [quote="rap_digital" wrote:
    My experience is that c1is far more reliable with a separate shoot volume with permissions disabled. This may have changed since ver. 5 and may only be needed with really large sessions.


    How to disable the permissions?
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  • rap_digital
    In the finder click on the drive the press command and I down the bottom of the dialog that opens click ignore permissions.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="rap_digital" wrote:
    In the finder click on the drive the press command and I down the bottom of the dialog that opens click ignore permissions.

    Is 'ignore permission' equal to 'ignore ownership on this volume'?
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  • rap_digital
    Yep it's is paul I guess I stopped looking at what it says since tiger was release!! Can also get to it in the finder under the file menu item.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="rap_digital" wrote:
    Yep it's is paul I guess I stopped looking at what it says since tiger was release!! Can also get to it in the finder under the file menu item.

    Thanks!
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  • Brian Jones
    [quote="rap_digital" wrote:
    All my systems now have atleast a SSD for the shoot drive and most (all but one) have ssd for boot aswell. But I'm a digi tech for fashion shooters generating between 70-400gb a day.

    In your case I would stick with a couple 3TB hard drives Western Dig black or Hitachi E's I think they are and stick in a bunch of ram. I recently swapped out a 4870 graphics card for a 285GTX and have noticed previews render a bit faster.

    The maintenance required for SSD is good practice for any drive anyway. Once a month (typically) I boot to clean clone of my boot drive erase the internal boot drive (including to erase the free space) and then clone the backup back to the internal boot.

    just my 2c


    Rick
    I'm intersted to know how your SSD's are holding up under high volume read/wright/delete cycles. I'm a tech as well and building a new location laptop. I'm thinking dual internal SSD's, but I'm slightly concerned about the longevity of the SSD's with so may cycles on the data blocks.

    Thanks.
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  • rap_digital
    I feel like the owc drives are holding up. I have recently been testing speed with blackMagic's speed tester and the compressed data write scores arent that impressive on the ssd faster than a standard laptop drive but not as good as my basic desktop raid5. I'm sure the read-write combo is still faster than spinning media though.
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