Ultimate PC for Capture One Pro 11

Chad Dahlquist

January 25, 2018 03:20

read through this
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=26478

might help ya out with various chips compared using C1

also this
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=27609
I have to do this still 😊

both Craig and I went with the 7820x intel chip (as have some others) seems to be one of the better PS chips and C1 flat out moves on it and price is not so bad for a nice build

depending on the NVMe size and GPU is really where you can go up a bit
Craig John built his for just under $2100

mine was about $2700
I hve a Nvidia 1080GPU I also game some and it does help and I think is a nice balance for that chip
also went with a 1TB NVMe samung evo
I had a regular samung 850 for boot already
memory is 32GB
gold rated power supply and a asus MB
meshify case

for PS core speed matters most but it uses more than 2 cores 😊
the i7 8700 k will be a bit faster in PS than the 7820x or other more core chips BUT in C1 the 7820 and other higher up core chips as that link above show really make a huge jump in speed so overall the 7820x again is a nice sweet spot with PS speed and C1 speed
and the nice thing is with the 8 core or other if you are doing batches or exporting you have enough over head you can keep working doing other things without the boggy slow down of some of the other 4 core chips like the 7700

good info here on various chips and PS
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/artic ... 350K-1057/

hope this helps 😊

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craig stodola

January 25, 2018 04:47

I really thought long and hard between the 8700k and the 7820x.

During Black Friday, the 7820x was $375 vs $415 for the 8700k. So I went with the 7820x.

I canâ€™t imagine in what way possible the 8700k would be so much faster in PS than the 7820x, that it would be blatantly noticeable. When you look at the Pudget Systems test numbers in PS, thereâ€™s a small edge to the 8700k. In real world use are you going to notice or care if a general task takes a second longer with the 7820x?

I have yet to see any benchmark with the 7700k or 8700k using C1.

I canâ€™t imagine the 7820x is heads and shoulders above 8700k in any C1 task.

The biggest difference right now is price:
7820x = $570 USD
8700k = $375 USD

I bought the ASRock x299 Extreme4 MOB, which has dual 8 pin CPU power connects, and a VRM heat pipe to keep the VRM nice and cool. Those are two great features for the 7820x, especially if you want to overclock. The Skylake X is powerhungry, and kicks off a little heat. Under C1 1000 image Export and a simultaneous PS 500 image resize batch, the 7820x doesnâ€™t break a sweat â€” averages about 55C overclocked to 4.6GHz. At regular 3.6GHz frequency, it barely peaks at 40C.

Get at least a 750 watt Gold+ power supply.

I know the 8700k can get hot if you OC the CPU, and people are getting 5.0GHz easily.

The other big difference is PCIe lanes. Do you want to add a second video card?

8700k = 16 PCIe lanes
7820x = 28 PCIe lanes

If I could build again, and had a strict budget of $1,500-1,700, I would go with 8700k (PCIe limitations and all).

At a 1900+, Iâ€™d go with the 7820x. Mostly because I may want to add an NVMe RAID, or a TB3 card, or a WiFi card. If you want to go with dual GPUs, then you may want to go with the 7900x and it's 44 PCIe lanes.

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Christian Gruner

January 25, 2018 07:33

[quote="vvkozmenko" wrote:
Hi, guys,

I am planning to build a PC specifically for photo editing with C1 Pro 11.

There are many articles on the Internet say that Photoshop cannot use more than 2 cores, so instead of getting a multi threaded AMD it is more beneficial to get an Intel with less cores but with higher clock speed. Does it apply to Capture One Pro 11?

Can someone recommend CPU, motherboard, amount of RAM, and GPU for a dream PC for image editing. I wish it to be relevant for at least 5-6 years.

Thank you,

Val

Go with a new/modern cpu with as many cores as possible, like i9 7960x, multiple, fast GPUâ€™s, like Vega64 or 1080ti, and m.2/U.2 disks. You donâ€™t need more than 16-32 gb of ram for CO, but if you are multitasking a lot, it could be useful with more.

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craig stodola

January 25, 2018 17:08

Compare Photoshop use between the 8700K, 7820x, 7900x, and 7940x...
https://www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=43663&width=800&height=800

In this case, there's no reason to go for the 7900x or 7920x over the 7820x.

Compare photoshop use between the 8700K, 7820x, 7900x, and 7940x,
https://www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=43664&width=800&height=800

I know LR isn't Capture One Pro, but even here, there's no reason to go above the 7820x.

Price to performance, the $375 8700K is probably the best bang for the buck, there could be an argument for the $575 7820x when it comes to multithreaded apps for certain tasks. But even with $1,000 for the 7900x, that's pushing the point of diminishing returns to far; unless you're exclusively exporting images in C1 day in and day out. If you have the money to spend, then the 7900x would be the furthest to realistically go for photo editing.

Until there's definitive proof 16 cores provides a significant performance boost with Capture One Pro, so much so it negates the negative performance you'll get from using Photoshop, there's absolutely no reason to spend $1,700 on a CPU for photography editing. Video editing, that could even be debatable.

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Val.Kozmenko

January 25, 2018 18:39

Hi, everyone,

Thank you for the feedback. It is good to hear that CO uses all cores.

I plan to go with the following specs

CPU: AMD Threadripper 1950X

Motherboard: Asus ROG Zenith Extreme

RAM: 64 GB (upgrade to 128 GB later)

GPU: Nvidia Quadro.

Hopefully this PC will be relevant for a while.

Val

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Chad Dahlquist

January 25, 2018 19:52

if you build it come back and do some of those tests 😊 will be curious how it does with export time etc..
sounds like a nice setup 😊

[quote="Val.Kozmenko" wrote:
Hi, everyone,

Thank you for the feedback. It is good to hear that CO uses all cores.

I plan to go with the following specs

CPU: AMD Threadripper 1950X

Motherboard: Asus ROG Zenith Extreme

RAM: 64 GB (upgrade to 128 GB later)

GPU: Nvidia Quadro.

Hopefully this PC will be relevant for a while.

Val

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Val.Kozmenko

January 25, 2018 20:56

Hi, Chad,

Thank you for the reply. It will take a while to build it - I will have to buy the parts a piece at a time because all the components are in the $1000.00 ballpark.

Val

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Robert Whetton

January 25, 2018 23:50

[quote="Val.Kozmenko" wrote:
Hi, everyone,

Thank you for the feedback. It is good to hear that CO uses all cores.

I plan to go with the following specs

CPU: AMD Threadripper 1950X

With the newer Ryzen coming out this year, I wouldn't go Threadripper - I have a R1700 OC'd to 3.8GHz and it handles everything I throw at it in C1 with my R9 390

[quote="Val.Kozmenko" wrote:

Motherboard: Asus ROG Zenith Extreme

RAM: 64 GB (upgrade to 128 GB later)

64GB? damn you must be moving some huge files around in Photoshop to require 64GB! 🤓

[quote="Val.Kozmenko" wrote:

GPU: Nvidia Quadro.

Hopefully this PC will be relevant for a while.

Val

Forget Quadro. AMD is king when it comes to CaptureOne!

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craig stodola

January 26, 2018 13:12

[quote="Val.Kozmenko" wrote:
Hi, everyone,

Thank you for the feedback. It is good to hear that CO uses all cores.

I plan to go with the following specs

CPU: AMD Threadripper 1950X

Motherboard: Asus ROG Zenith Extreme

RAM: 64 GB (upgrade to 128 GB later)

GPU: Nvidia Quadro.

Hopefully this PC will be relevant for a while.

Val

Iâ€™m fascinated by your choice, and wildly interested in seeing your performance bench marks.

Please come back and run this export test:

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=27609

...and post your numbers.

Why did you choose this configuration?

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WPNL

January 26, 2018 17:00

[quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
[quote="Val.Kozmenko" wrote:

Forget Quadro. AMD is king when it comes to CaptureOne!

I'd love to see some evidence / benchmarks of WX's to prove this.
It's true the Gaming Radeon is a fraction faster than Nvidia GeForce. I have seen no comparison of the pro desktop GPUs so far..
The most performance per buck is a Radeon but these don't support 10bit color which is the reason for the Quadro I guess?

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Chad Dahlquist

January 26, 2018 22:32

[quote="WPNL" wrote:
[quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
[quote="Val.Kozmenko" wrote:

Forget Quadro. AMD is king when it comes to CaptureOne!

I'd love to see some evidence / benchmarks of WX's to prove this.
It's true the Gaming Radeon is a fraction faster than Nvidia GeForce. I have seen no comparison of the pro desktop GPUs so far..
The most performance per buck is a Radeon but these don't support 10bit color which is the reason for the Quadro I guess?

as a gamer not sure I have ever seen the gaming radeon being better though ?
maybe in a few games optimized for that but trends go to Nvidia for the gaming card to go with

also to mention the AMD run hot and use way more power enough that you might want to step up in the PSU

thought most of the higher end radeon did support 10 bit you just have to turn it on to do so as it comes off from the start ? but could be wrong 😊

I almost went with the radeon I do think they might perform better in C1 ? would love to see solid tests of say 4 models and compare to the 4 high end nvidia 😊

but again price the power and cooling and other issues I went with Nvidia

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WPNL

January 26, 2018 22:43

[quote="Chad Dahlquist" wrote:

as a gamer not sure I have ever seen the gaming radeon being better though ?
maybe in a few games optimized for that but trends go to Nvidia for the gaming card to go with

also to mention the AMD run hot and use way more power enough that you might want to step up in the PSU

thought most of the higher end radeon did support 10 bit you just have to turn it on to do so as it comes off from the start ? but could be wrong 😊

Good morning, I we're talking about OpenCL, not DirectX, OpenGL or CUDA.

Heat is no problem with proper fans/cooling,

I thought so too but have not seen any success without modification of drivers or files. My R9290x doesn't accept my P2715Q as 10bit no matter what.

AMD Radeon is the best way to go for OpenCL (performance per dollar) , do some research.

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Christian Gruner

January 28, 2018 13:29

[quote="CraigJohn" wrote:
Compare Photoshop use between the 8700K, 7820x, 7900x, and 7940x...
https://www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=43663&width=800&height=800

In this case, there's no reason to go for the 7900x or 7920x over the 7820x.

Compare photoshop use between the 8700K, 7820x, 7900x, and 7940x,
https://www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=43664&width=800&height=800

I know LR isn't Capture One Pro, but even here, there's no reason to go above the 7820x.

Price to performance, the $375 8700K is probably the best bang for the buck, there could be an argument for the $575 7820x when it comes to multithreaded apps for certain tasks. But even with $1,000 for the 7900x, that's pushing the point of diminishing returns to far; unless you're exclusively exporting images in C1 day in and day out. If you have the money to spend, then the 7900x would be the furthest to realistically go for photo editing.

Until there's definitive proof 16 cores provides a significant performance boost with Capture One Pro, so much so it negates the negative performance you'll get from using Photoshop, there's absolutely no reason to spend $1,700 on a CPU for photography editing. Video editing, that could even be debatable.

For CO use, your test-results here are, sorry to say, far from valid. PS is notorious for lack of multi-threading.
CO, on the other hand, only have very few operation that are not multi-threaded, and will take advantage of many cores (if the rest of the system isn't a bottleneck).

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Robert Whetton

January 28, 2018 15:32

[quote="WPNL" wrote:
[quote="Chad Dahlquist" wrote:

My R9290x doesn't accept my P2715Q as 10bit no matter what.

you connected via DVI?

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WPNL

January 28, 2018 15:55

[quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
[quote="WPNL" wrote:
[quote="Chad Dahlquist" wrote:

My R9290x doesn't accept my P2715Q as 10bit no matter what.

you connected via DVI?

No, DP 😊

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Robert Whetton

January 29, 2018 02:23

hmm I thought the R9 290X series would have done 😕

my 390 does
http://photographs.rjwhetton.co.uk/forums/10bpc.jpg

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Michael Heller

January 29, 2018 23:54

[quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
hmm I thought the R9 290X series would have done 😕

my 390 does
http://photographs.rjwhetton.co.uk/forums/10bpc.jpg

I also have a 390, it doesn't do true 10-bit like Firepro or Quadro cards. Also, I think that monitor is 8-bit + FRC which isn't the same as 10-bit.

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WPNL

January 30, 2018 08:47

[quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
hmm I thought the R9 290X series would have done 😕
my 390 does
http://photographs.rjwhetton.co.uk/forums/10bpc.jpg

That seems better indeed.

[quote="KazInVan" wrote:

I also have a 390, it doesn't do true 10-bit like Firepro or Quadro cards. Also, I think that monitor is 8-bit + FRC which isn't the same as 10-bit.

I tested with a Quadro (didn't support 4K) and that didn't work also... Nice one DELL!

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Oka Morikawa

January 30, 2018 12:17

My setup for C1 is build around 7980xe and Vega FE.

I did also used Quadro P4000, but it was slow AND didn't have waterblocks so I switched to Vega FE which was big surprise, much faster than Quadro and I didn't experience any drivers issues which I has in past with professional AMD GPU's (that's why I always used Quadro).

...can't be any happier, C1 is so snappy even on 4k screen.

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Chad Dahlquist

January 30, 2018 20:25

[quote="NNN636355020530937144" wrote:
My setup for C1 is build around 7980xe and Vega FE.

I did also used Quadro P4000, but it was slow AND didn't have waterblocks so I switched to Vega FE which was big surprise, much faster than Quadro and I didn't experience any drivers issues which I has in past with professional AMD GPU's (that's why I always used Quadro).

...can't be any happier, C1 is so snappy even on 4k screen.

sounds like a awesome build sure a lot of us for fun would love to see you do this
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=27609

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Wesley

February 19, 2018 04:29

Just how much better is an AMD card better than Nvidia for OpenCL? All I read is that AMD is better at it.
Vega 64 vs 1080, for example.

Would the new computing Titan V GPU have a good lead in OpenCL now that it's currently the most advanced tech?

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Robert Whetton

February 20, 2018 21:50

[quote="Wesley" wrote:
Just how much better is an AMD card better than Nvidia for OpenCL? All I read is that AMD is better at it.
Vega 64 vs 1080, for example.

Would the new computing Titan V GPU have a good lead in OpenCL now that it's currently the most advanced tech?

my 3 year old GPU competes with a 1080 😊

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Wesley

February 21, 2018 05:36

[quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
[quote="Wesley" wrote:
Just how much better is an AMD card better than Nvidia for OpenCL? All I read is that AMD is better at it.
Vega 64 vs 1080, for example.

Would the new computing Titan V GPU have a good lead in OpenCL now that it's currently the most advanced tech?

my 3 year old GPU competes with a 1080 😊

I'm looking at Nvidia & AMD GPU wiki. Does it have to do with AMD supporting OpenCL 2.0?
R 200 series started OpenCL 2.0 (back in Sept 2013) so would even that gen compete well with current Nvidia's supporting only 1.2 as well?

What's with the slow support from Nvidia?

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WPNL

February 21, 2018 06:22

This might give you some more insight: https://phodograf.com/capture-one-benchmarks/
It's hard to tell why a gpu is faster, there's more in a build that can influence performance 😊

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Roger Gravis

March 09, 2018 02:17

Hello Everyone,

Guess I am a little late to the party.

I will give Y'all an observation from a practical standpoint.

The original version of this PC I was built to edit images in Lightroom and Photoshop (before C1) and morphed into what I am now using outlined below.

Intel 7700K overclocked to 5.0 gh
Asus Hero Maximus IV
32 Gigs of fast ram
(2) M2's
4 SSDs
4 Spinners
Nvidia GTX 980 Ti

Rendering tethered capture is most important to me. Images from a D850 render in about 3 seconds or less. Images from a D810 render in 2 seconds. Exports are much faster than Lightroom. Turning the GPU off is not a good idea. I run multiple applications and do not see a slow down in Capture One 11. I am not a gamer.

Files from the Nikon D850 are about 90mb and half that for the D810. Rendering time seems instantiations after using Lightroom which was about 11 seconds for the D810.

The benchmarks provide very good information. I wish they had been available when I did my last upgrade. This version of this machine is six months old and I am glad to see I am still in the game.

This is a great thread. Thank Y'all

Roger

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