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Canon 5D Mark III support?

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  • John Malloy
    All would be speculative at this point, it will be ready when it's ready. AFAIK, the only RAW converter software supporting Mk3 files is DPP which ships with the camera. I'll be thrilled when support is issued, but that will take some time, the camera has been shipping less than a week...and Canon does not make it easy for third parties.
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="John4" wrote:
    All would be speculative at this point,


    And against the rules (rule 1) for discussion on this forum.

    AFAIK, the only RAW converter software supporting Mk3 files is DPP which ships with the camera.


    Photoshop ACR 6.7 Release Candidate does a very good job, too.
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  • markmullen
    I'm about to buy a 5D Mkiii tomorrow, I've raised a support case to ask when it will be supported.
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  • John Malloy
    I've had mine over a week, and as I got one of the first shipped, that would be the first one shipping with final firmware so PhaseOne could begin profiling.

    Initially, Phase One used to give an estimate on support/next release. When ever they went past that date, they were pilloried for "breaking promises"...so I don't think you'll get an answer other than it's ready when it's done and done properly.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    See also
    viewtopic.php?p=55000#p55000
    What applies to the new Nikon cameras applies to the new Canon as well.
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  • John Wildgoose
    Hi
    Just adding a little weight to the thread, hoping desperately to get the software update soon so I can start working easily.

    I tried the Canon software that shipped with the camera DPP and it is truly truly awful. It makes you realise just how great C1 really is.

    I'm now considering carrying on working with the MkIIs or doing an entire uncorrected batch conversion in DPP to TIFF and then drawing them into C1 for 'proper' pre conversion correcting, but I'm afraid of this a little, I know the colourspace in RAW is better but not sure how much I am going to be limited in quality. It's not the best work around but it's all I can think of if I want to start using these lovely cameras.

    If anyone knows of those limitations with working with 16bit TIFFs in C1 I'd appreciate it.

    cheers!
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  • John Wildgoose
    Just found this... Might be useful as a stop gap.

    http://www.fotocare.com/blog/foto-coach ... -workflow/

    It lists clever work rounds for C1 and 5DMkIII users.

    I wonder if there's any disadvantage with DNG. It's a much smaller file than a 16bit TIFF isn't it? So if C1 sees DNGs this might be the best fix pro temp.

    UPDATE
    I just tried this, it looks like a quick fix (the RAWs are converted to DNG in about 3 seconds on a very pimped Mac Pro!) and and the files look good with all the controls in tact in C1Pro. But it's a quick fix, I'm still unsure about the integrity of the file once converted to DNG. Anyone with some advice here would be most welcome...
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  • NN102012UL3
    Yes the DNG processing works as an intermediate solution.

    All others raw sw vendors have release MK3 updates . Most of them can be tweaked / adjusted to look similar.

    Anxiously waiting for the C1 update as I still prefer the workflow over all others.
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  • John Wildgoose
    Thanks NN...

    I'm waiting, given what I've seen and experienced I'm not prepared to jump into any other RAW conversion software maker's bed! Patience is going to have to be the day's virtue here. I just hope the sound of my bored fingers drumming on my graphics pad reaches the dev gurus at Phase One and helps keep their eye on the ball ❗️
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  • stefano candito
    Nobody has news about a date?

    In the meantime LR4 has released a 4.1RC for those like me that shot photos and don't know how to develop them. I really feel hostage of a software...
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  • Drew Altdo
    viewtopic.php?f=40&t=12086&p=54659#p54659
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  • John Wildgoose
    Thanks Keith and Drew, but the links don't add much.

    We, well I certainly am not transgressing the 'future release' law here, as you'll see I ask and explore work arounds while we patiently wait. Not that I mind all that much that Phase One, on seeing these threads might feel a little pressure to hurry up 😉. Call it unintended consequences!
    For myself I'm entirely happy with adding the extra DNG conversion step to tide me over.

    End of, as my daughters say...
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  • bruce11
    Hi John,

    Does this make any sense about the above comments; also from the lis of do's and don'ts.....

    13 Do not post questions or comments relating to the appropriateness of another member's post. Phase One A/S is moderating this forum and this is up to Phase One A/S to judge this, Moderators while handle this not users. 😄
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  • John Wildgoose
    ^ha! Well only if your comments are relating to the appropriateness of another member's post, i.e. mine!
    I hope we are not veering into a black hole of semantics...
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="John16" wrote:
    Thanks Keith and Drew, but the links don't add much.

    We, well I certainly am not transgressing the 'future release' law here


    Phase One would disagree: every one of those links takes you to a post stating that discussion of future releases and what they might or not support, is out of bounds.

    I predict another locked thread any time now...
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  • Drew Altdo
    Here's the official warning.
    The thread was going well discussing possible workarounds, lets keep it on that track. That's the only reason I haven't locked the thread.
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  • John Malloy
    While not as handy as native support, the DNG converter workaround is quite usable, I find that using the profile "DNG Workspace" rather than "DNG neutral" gives better results for portraits....not sure what that implies, but it works.
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  • John Wildgoose
    Thanks John4. It's working well for me too. I'll check your preference out too. Appreciated.
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  • Thomas Quinn
    This is not about the Canon Support but DNG support????

    I have never used DNG but this has me perplexed as to how and if C-One recognizes DNG's? So since I have a D800, all I need to do is convert to DNG and then C-One will open them?

    Tom Q
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  • John Wildgoose
    That's right Thomas. C1 will show them. But as I alluded to earlier I've no idea what colour space and tone depth DNG converts to so I cannot tell how limited any post production will be in a side by side with RAW. Certainly all the controls still work, nothing greyed out as far as I can see. Notwithstanding this, as far as I'm concerned it "appears" to be a satisfactory work around for the time being.

    I'd love to hear from anyone who knows how much DNG takes out of the file, although the file size seems to be pretty much equivelant.
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  • John Malloy
    From what I see...and remember, I'm a user, not a spokesperson...converting and using DNG files results in a rather inferior input profile but all adjustments work. From past experience with PhaseOne profiles, I'd expect the 5D MK3 support will result in a very good profile (I have profiling software, but haven't used it for several Canon generations AFA COne because the stock profile is very good.)

    Adobe (again IMHO) has a weird take on RAW workflow, which includes the philosophy that ICC profiles are not necessary for input. I personally think this is the key difference between ACR and COne and why quality output is just easier with COne...which tempers my impatience with any release. Better right than too quick.....
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  • John Wildgoose
    Thanks again John. From what I see (with xRite calibrated monitors) it seems like a 'good enough' conversion from RAW but as you pointed out if the profiles are adrift then there is going to be a degraded output. Now, several Polish Wodkas are impacting on this analysis;) but I guess it all boils down to wether the clients can tell we have changed the work flow!!!
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  • Logan2
    This DNG work around does not work for mRAW files. I got it to work on full RAW but not mRAW. Looks like I'm stuck with Lightroom for now : (
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  • John Wildgoose
    That's a pity Logan.

    I have found I can't do lens corrections with DNG files, I was shooting with a 24mm yesterday and needed to make some changes to correct distortion and found I can't. Options greyed out. Otherwise everything else in the normal workflow is operable. I'll have to take the files into PS to do this. Three step workflow is a bit tiresome...
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  • John Wildgoose
    Quick update

    Apple just released a Camera RAW update to cover the 5D Mark III so at least we can see the icons now!

    Apple > Software Update will pick it up and install it. Another step closer!
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  • Logan2
    I did the conversion to DNG but what I saw looked nothing like the embedded jpegs. The images were all dark and the skin didn't look right. I didn't even bother trying to fix it. I'm using jpegs as much as possible. It's a shame that a company that cares enough to have the best RAW processing has the worst support. What's the point of creating a great product if they push people away because of lack of support and customer service.
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="Logan2" wrote:
    What's the point of creating a great product if they push people away because of lack of support and customer service.


    Phase One didn't force you to buy an as-yet unsupported camera.
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  • John Malloy
    I knew I was purhasing a camera that would not be supported by Capture One immediately...and if i wanted software that matched the embedded jpeg almost exactly, I'd use DPP. It will nearly always do that.

    DPP is the obvious workaround, DNG is another, and patience will be rewarded. I think comments about customer service and support are gratuitous and unnecessary considering the real world situation with the many camera releases. Remember, Canon announced the 1Dx was to ship in March. Is anyone railing at them...<g>...
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  • Keith Reeder
    Exactly, John.

    No, it's not much fun when your new camera isn't supported by a given converter, but we make our own decisions in these matters, and need to take personal responsibility for them.
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