Capture One 21 nothing Universal-Code for Apple M1 ??

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  • James Grove

    You need to give C1 a chance, they have said they will port to universal, timescales are too difficult as many variables are at play. C1 runs fine for me (with some minor bugs) on my M1

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  • Phillip Bischoff

    As you may see in the system requirements Apple Silicon is not supported bei Capture One.

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  • Maarten Heijkoop

    They just have to compile it against apple silicon, just like many other did (affinity, adobe, starry landscape stacker, etc.) I don't know why they didn't??

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  • James Grove

    Sorry it isn't a straight forward as that and Adobe have run into a number of issues with Photoshop which is still in Alpha testing as a Universal App. Only a small number of their apps are now Universal and working correctly. Just because Affinity have made the transition doesn't mean it's as easy as a recompile, or for that matter stable.

     

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  • Dave R

    Just to be clear the Adobe Photoshop beta is an AppleSilicon application not a universal application. Lightroom CC is a universal application like Affinity while Lightroom Classic is an intel application which unlike Capture One (also an intel application) runs very well under Rosetta 2.

    I speak from experience as I have all the mentioned applications running on my M1 Mac mini.

    Dave

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  • Maarten Heijkoop

    CaptureOne21 runs fine on my MBA M1 under rosetta2

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  • Dave R

    Maarten

    No spinning beachballs?  RGB readout instantaneous?  Advanced Color editors Color picker does not hesitate?  Right clicking DrawHealing Mask tool brings up adjustments with no delay?  Items removed using healing mask stay removed when you export as jpeg?  Tool drop downs consistently show various tools? 

    If so I would be very interested to know your computer configuration. Mine is basic M1 Mac mini with CO program and catalog on apple silicon, the originals are on Synology NAS. I also have a 2 screen setup with tools and grid on one screen and viewer on the other.

    Dave

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  • Maarten Heijkoop

    Yep all is working fine, tested it just now. I have a macbook air M1, 16gb ram, 2tb ssd. I usually work in sessions on the internal ssd. Using CaptureOne 21 PRO, build 14.0.2.49

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  • Maarten Heijkoop

    I was wrong about the healing mask, still doesn't work when processing Tiff or Jpeg 

     

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  • Dave R

    Maarten

    I think I am getting poor performance with CO due to having a low powered machine in comparison to yours (base model M1 Mac mini with two 24” NEC multi sync displays attached).  However I have been wondering why Adobe apps (Lightroom Classic etc.) perform just as well as they do on my very high powered Windows laptop.  The key difference I can see is that Adobe apps for Mac are written using metal as the graphics engine (they now seem to use direct-x12 for Windows), Adobe seem to have dropped openCL/GL, Capture One of course is dependent on openCL/GL which is end of life as far as Apple is concerned.

    Dave

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  • Maarten Heijkoop

    It's most probably the 8GB ram that's causing the problem. Two mac's ago ;) I also had performance problems. When I upgraded to 16GB everything was much faster

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  • Dave R

    Maarten

    You are almost certainly right, CO does seem a bit of a memory hog (I have 32 gig on my Windows laptop so it’s not a problem there).

    Dave

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  • Nate B

    Dave - I have a a MacBook Pro with 16GB Ram and 1TB SSD, and am personally encountering the same issues you are. Healing is broken, the color picker is buggy and inconsistent, etc. Performance is OK but now what I'd hope. I eagerly await a universal version of C21.

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  • Joris Casaer

    Personal experience from using CP One 21 on a maxed out MBP M1:

    Capture One 21 on an M1 is slower than my Late 2013 iMac. Period. 
    I'm a heavy user, from layers to camera profiles to user styles, brushes, crops,... I manipulate everything on every picture. 

    I have not experienced any bugs. 

    With Photoshop (also via Rosetta 2) I see negligible speed improvements. So I'm hoping for a serious speed bump when software goes native, otherwise I'll feel seriously ripped off. Anyway I feel ripped off for being an early adaptor. But that's just the risk you take!

     

    In specs:
    MBP M1 16GB 
    vs
    iMac Late 2013
    3,5Ghz Quad Core i7
    32GB Ram
    4GB graphics Nvidia Geforce GTX 780M

    I was hoping to replace the iMac with the M1. From my experience now, I would advise against it. Wait until software goes native. And in the Capture One universe where everything is spent on marketing, while development sometimes seems an afterthought, patience is a virtue. 

    Hang in there!

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  • CSP

    ....you should be awarded when you wait until c1 gets ready but I think not many will  follow your advice.  how they handle the transition to m1 will have an much bigger impact for c1 than their bugy releases, their unjustified price increases and their poor support together.  the move to m1 is the first major performance boost for apple hardware in a very long time and a lot has changed on the software side too.

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  • Dave R

    Hi Jaris

    Have you tried the Photoshop native M1 beta, available on left side panel in creative cloud app? I would be interested to hear how you think that compares.

    Dave

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  • Joris Casaer

    Hey Dave, Thanks for that tip!

    I did some quick workflow tests with the same, 16bit, 11 layer psd file. Opening files is noticeably faster. Saving them, not. :(

     

    Opening 16 bit psd from C1
    Ps Beta: 8 seconds
    Ps 21: 13 seconds

    Saving 16 bit psd
    Ps Beta: 25 seconds
    Ps 21: 24 seconds
    I redid this twice, the beta was slower. Even 2 seconds first time.


    CSP, I hear you. When I switched from Lr in 2017, C1 was the progressive move. But the way Lr has evolved in three years, and C1 hasn't, makes the balance more narrow each year. 
    Let's talk again summer 2021. I have a workflow on both platforms and will always choose the one which makes my work & workflow go forward. 

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  • CSP

    joris, in the past c1 had an image quality advantage which made user forgive some of the shortcoming and problems but this is over now.  adobe is equal or better depending on what you focus on and dxo beats both. but really revealing is the difference in discussion on their user forum sites. while here you can follow an endless stream of reported bugs, issues and frustration on the dxo forum user discuss mostly best usage or improvements. I have primally bought dxo for deep prime but now use and like it more and more and when my m1 iMac arrives instead of worrying I will enjoy the speed improvements.  https://support.dxo.com/hc/en-us/articles/360054010571-State-of-DxO-PhotoLab-compatibility-with-the-Apple-Silicon-M1

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  • Dave R

    Hi CSP

    You should add a warning that DxO does not support Fuji x-trans files which rules it out for me.

    Dave

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  • CSP

    ...nothing is perfect.  so while I very much understand why they do not offer support for x-trans they do not rule it out that they will add it in the future.  

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  • Dave R

    Photoshop native M1 now fully released as a universal app - there are a few things that you have to switch to Rosetta 2 to use but almost all the app is M1 native.

     

    Dave

     

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  • James Grove

    Photoshop as a universal app, has still got a great deal of bugs in it. The only way to ensure stability and compatibility is to run it via Rosetta. I would rather C1 take their time and get it right first time TBH

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  • CSP

    when c1 will release their first bugy m1 version adobe has probably ironed out most of the issues.  last year c1 told  m1 support will follow in early 2021, now already march and more than 4 month later they announce it will come within the next 4 month does anyone believe this ?   

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  • CSP

    as the silent monks in the c1 headquarter never speak to us here something interesting about the photoshop m1 transition  https://www.computerworld.com/article/3611383/qa-adobe-explains-the-transition-to-apple-silicon.html

     

     

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