Export tool is broken for advanced users!
Keep the powerful export tab (export until 14.2) and the quick/simple export window. (14.3).
I hope you are doing well. The new 14.3 brang many revelant improvements. However, also a concerning move to one of the most important part of a workflow: the export.
Of course, we can understand, the export tool had some learning curve. But, it should be. it's a tool for advanced users dealing daily with a lot of prodcution, images, customers.. For sure, it does not fit the needs for "casual" shooter or smalls projects.
It's totaly fine and also great to add a "quick export" window for users who do not want to deal much with pro options. I do confess I also use a "quick" export tool for years though the plug in "JpegMiniPro".
However, the export tool of the 14.3 is a pure catasprophe for working professionals.
1) The new update remove the possibility to have a global output folder over different recipe. I use to have for each of my export a global folder like "202107_ProjectName" (I usually copy/past the project name from the file name but it's not possible anymore), as well as a subfolder for each recipe like so:
- web small: Jpeg 1600 70%, sub-folder "web"
- A4 Jpeg: Jpeg A4 300dpi 95%, sub-folder "a4_jpeg"
- Tiff max: Tiff 8bit 300 dpi, sub-folder "tiff".
And so on. It varies depending of the customers.
This is not working any more. right ?
If not, most of the pro will be really in trouble.
2) I am using an old but rock solid MBP 2012 13 inch on location. The new export windows does NOT fit properly. The old export tab, using the whole screen (as I use C1 in full screen mode) does fit nicely.
PS: I am also a software developer and manager. The best way to get optimized and fast software is to give developer old and slow machines!
3) One can not adjust the tab in the export window. Nor one can adjust the window size. Right ?
Thanks for listening.
Looking forward the next update.. for pros and casual shooters!
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Dear developer,
the new export button in Version 14.3 is really a step backwards:
exporting is now unnecessarily complicated.
- a new window is automatically opened that blocks all other windows until I finally press close again.
- a progress bar always appears, which I have to click into the background when processing for a long time.
- stopping and resume the processing queue was a really nice feature.The old workflow was good. Please bring it back.
Thomas
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Hi, i add my point to the list: Export and Batch tabs were just right. When i'm doing tech on fashion set i used to start a queue and pause it during shooting. It seems i can't pause it anymore: how happened to remove such a fundamental functions for people like work with your software since .3 (2008) version?
Thanks in advance, waiting for you replies
Paolo
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@Nicolas Det
100% Agree. Your concerns hit the nail on that head perfectly.
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I am not a professional but I too find the new export dialog far inferior than the good old process recipe tool tab.
C1, stop eroding the good features which let's C1 stand out positively, stop ruining your unique selling points by mimicking LR and alike. I want the old non-modal simple tool tab back! No modal window, no extra viewer or browser.
Thanks
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It’s a shame they removed the ability to add the tools from the original output into workspaces as some creatives like myself built a workspace with the folder and recipe tool options to allow for quicker batch exports. Now however I’ll have to keep opening up the new exporter window when processing an event and creating 60+ folders to send out
Why fully remove the tools??
I'm now removing 14.3 and going back to 14.2 as I can't work with this "new" version as having to open the new export window countless times within a session it's helping to speed up my workflow it's slowing it down!!
This ISN'T Lightroom so why add a basic export when the previous export tab was sooo much better. Combine both this new version and then last tool tab so people have a CHOICE especially for pro's who use the software8 -
I have been a CaptureOne user since the beginning of the program, used with PhaseOne PowerPhase and Sinar. I was using first edition of LightPhase... I've never experienced a step back until last version....
Please CaptureOne... Bring back output tabs... If You need to have Export popup - ok! But give us tabs back. The power of C1 was full customization... Now it's broken. I'm sad...
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Wow it worked beautifully so why fix it when it was not broken!
all my best dick Wood
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Like others have written above, I also hate the new exporter. It is honestly way worse than the previous version/s. And also it's not available as a floating tool palette. Everything about it is more time consuming. Major dislike
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Oh, yes. Nicolas is absolutely right there. Batch Queue tab were essential and nobody preventing to keep it along with new Export. Also have to remind too that Non-Modal windows and floating tools is much more useful and userfriendly.
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Hi SFA,
quote: The key to understanding the approach is to appreciate that a recipe is now a more complete control of all aspects of an output process.
The new dialog is rather inferior, not confusing.
My point is not about the single process recipe as such but rather the UI changes to use such recipes.
(1) A modal dialog
(2) with another viewer/browser
(3) taking away the direct access to the recipes
is far less convenient than the tool tab and tools (or even floating tools) approach they have removed for the output processing.
Consequently, will they move all other tools to modal dialog boxes to keep some new customers happy?
I am not againt change as such, I am only against change if that leads to deterioration. I still haven't read many people liking the removal of the tools in favor of the new exporter.
Anyway, for me this is a negative.
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I just can repeat that
"the new export button in Version 14.3 is really a step backwards:
exporting is now unnecessarily complicated.
- a new window is automatically opened that blocks all other windows until I finally press close again.
- a progress bar always appears, which I have to click into the background when processing for a long time.
- stopping and resume the processing queue was a really nice feature.The old workflow was good. Please bring it back."
@ Thomas Schneider
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I can use the export window but the loss of the Process Queue is a disaster. In the studio we process sessions and export them, we have to add to queue and pause to continue with work, especially tethered shooting and then allow the export to run through the night. No longer possible. Reordering of export priority due to urgent work, no longer possible. Deletion of a mistaken session export among many thousands of other images exporting, no longer possible. This is stuff we deal with every day!
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TOTALLY AGREE...!!! but I believe the last thing CO does is listening to users...
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100% agree!
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I have told you I do not like the new solution when beta testing the newest version. I still do not like the export tab since it does not make sense and has nothing to do with the convention of structuring this software. So, pls forget about this terrible export and get back to what we had. I think there are other things to work on if you are lacking ideas for improving C1!
By the way: if not accessing the forum by Safari, you will constantly fail through Chrome. This was an issue months ago an is still a problem!
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...this is not a new development almost everything what came with the lastest updates was geared to attract hobbyists. this is per se not a bad thing as long as pro user are kept in focus too but this seems not the case anymore. furthermore it seems that the people in charge today have no idea what professionals need, this is very different to the past and so they can't foresee what impact a certain change my have. the change in layer handling was the first totally idiotic move and with the same mindset they have now destroyed another tool, makes me wonder what is next on their list.
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All files I export after this release are just corrupted, unless I leave them untouched, mening no proccessing at all. It's getting worse. This is seriously afecting my work. I see there are a lot of complains about this issue, I would like to see someone with responsabilities in C1 to say something.
Maybe an apology...? Maybe acknowledging a big mistake and stepping back the sooner the better...?
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14.3 Export Deterioration is a nightmare.
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I wish to add my support to this thread and request the original 'Output Tab' be reinstated. The new Export window has broken several workflows when outputting images. The previous method (Output Tab) was not broken and after many years of using C1 was a very efficient, versatile & smooth workflow.
One simple example of the issues introduced with the new Exporter tool is that manually re-ordering images within a job (having shot with multiple cameras) prior to output, and appending a number sequence token, the new Exporter reverts them to file name order. Manually sorted images are not recognised any longer!
Who beta tested this 'New Export Feature'?
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Agreed. I've put in a support case for this, and if you're a POCP or own Phase gear, I suggest you do so as well. Loving the enhanced speed and mask/drawing stuff in .3, but the lack of global output folder adjustments is about to kill my workflow. Given that they haven't introduced any breaking process engine changes between .2 and .3, I'm considering keeping 13.2 around just for handing processing and doing editing in 13.3.
#MakeCaptureOneProProAgain
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100% agree
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Since for me 14.3 crashes on exporting almost always, I have no option anyway but to go back to 14.2. But it worries me, as so many say above, that C1 is going for the 'easy to learn and doesn't matter if it is less powerful' route as so soften happens when marketing departments drive developments. Magic brush is brilliant, but export isn't. Why not leave both ways – there are lots of other instances where there are several ways of doing the same thing in C1.
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I consider the old tool as really innovative in the raw developer / photo editor market.
Somebody probably thought the output tools were old-fashioned and everybody would be happy with an overhauled export dialog. One of the strengths of C1 is (or was:_)) its customizabilty and its workflow capabilities.
Is the removal a one-time mistake they will correct or will this be symptomatic for the upcoming releases, and if they won't correct this, does this tell us something about their capabilites, their attitude regarding client base, or something about a new direction and target market they want to drive this softeware to...?
Without the old tool C1 has a tick less in my competitor comparison matrix.
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Looking for the 14.4 with a blocking window for exposure adjustment!
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The reason why a lot of us are not just struggling with this but find this "upgrade" completely broken for our purposes is that they've actually removed several pieces of functionality that turn out to be useful for a lot of people, but absolutely essential in a professional workflow, and there is no alternative (and at the moment, no alternative tool that's anywhere near as good as C1 for doing this...except for C1 14.2, natch...but then you lose all the other cool stuff they've upgraded in 14.3).
To continue with @Marcin's car analogy: my folks once owned a 2003-era Prius where Toyota, as a safety feature, cut off power to the wheels if the car detected you were in a skid on ice. Great feature...except when you're wanting to intentionally skid a bit to melt ice under the wheels and get yourself up a hill in light snow, which happened to me a couple of times. Your only approach here was to roll back and try to power yourself up at whatever angle you could, or back down the hill and try again, where if you'd had the 'traction off' button that they'd removed (but put back in in later versions, thankfully), you'd hit the button, hit the gas, and get yourself up the hill easily and safely.
Back to C1, here's a few of the things (at least that I've run into over the weekend; there are probably more) that the current Export dialog removes/breaks. Gert, not many of these may apply to you, but if you're a pro handling a lot of images either on set or for very specific export needs (as I have, where I'm dumping into a system that requires particular naming conventions--as does pretty much anyone doing cultural heritage work, which is or was also a big market of Phase's), this hurts a lot.
- removing the ability to set a subfolder/sub-name across all recipes when you export
- exporting in *your* manual order of the original collection (this would let you sequence images and then export them in a sequence, irrespective of the alphabetical order of the original images)
- exporting specifically selected variants, possibly in manual order
- the ability to do #1 in AppleScript by setting two properties, as opposed to having to hack around it and move files yourself
- the ability to pause an export job/add/remove images to it while running (handy on set if you're wanting to get images to your clients faster while not slowing down your workflow, or others'). You can start and stop, but once you stop, you can't restart.
- the ability to add your own useful tabs to what's now the Export window (in my case, setting image metadata for a large number of images when exporting requires that I select them first, set the metadata in the Metadata tab, then go to Export--or putting Metadata in its own floating tab, which is just plain inconvenient)
- the ability to see how an export job is going, down to the exact image, in a C1 tool tab, as opposed to just getting an image count in the Activities window.
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@Gert Please read @ Martin Knowles post above.
I’m working on Mac and Windows. I’m using this software over 20 years now. I know how to setup my workflow. For me this upgrade broke my workflow. Why create some unnecessary steps when everything was just perfect. There is probably a lot of people like You. But like I said, most of users here will not accept this as a “better solution”.2 -
Please get us a quick way to get back to 14.2 (along with our sessions) until you (Phase One) figure out this mess that is the "Export" mechanism in 14.3.
I have NOT been able to export a job in 4 days due to some weird 'variant' exception being thrown and then it does not write all the files exporting to the folder. I posted details and screenshot on separate thread. It is clear that this release broke exporting.
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I really hope that Caprture One wil remove the export window and go back to the Export tab.
I think this Export window may be ok in Capture One Express, but in Capture One Pro it is best with the tab as in pre 14.3.
The Export Tab is one off the best things about Capture One Pro!
Keep Capture One Pro for pro's!
Don't shoot a running horse....
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CaptureOne Pro... you'd think that was for PROFESSIONALS.
Look at this fragmentation of software:
- Capture One Pro
- Capture One for Fujifilm
- Capture One (for Sony)
- Capture One for Nikon
- Capture One Express
- Capture One Enterprise
I don't understand the fragmentation and constant push toward appeasing casual shooters/hobbyist with the "Pro" version.
I know there's a beta channel you can join (Im on it) but working professionals can't actually run betas on set. They can play with it for a few minutes at home maybe. But working professionals aren't able to provide proper feedback for betas.
The push toward SAAS and cash grabs of "style packs" are ruining this software as it seems the motivations for development are coming from the marketing and accounting teams rather than listening to professionals and their needs.
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CEO Rafael Orta is somewhat active on Twitter. He's got so few followers that he would have to notice a flood a upset users. https://twitter.com/rafaelcoyote
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