Two User Collections - same images but different styles - how? - CaptureOne 2023
Please help - I am not sure how to accomplish this (or if it can be accomplished)
I need to have two different versions of 418 images ( two different styles)
1- I imported the 418 images into the catalog
2 - I created a user collection version 1 and added the 418 images
3- I created a user collection version 2 and added the 418 images 
PROBLEM - when I change an image on "user collection 1," the images on "user collection 2" get affected.
I also try to create a variant on "user collection 1," but then I end up with 836 images (418+418) in a single collection.
what would be the best way to compartmentalize these 418 images for different versions so I can make each set with different styles?
hopefully, this makes sense. thank you for the help!
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What you're experiencing is what I would expect. Collections as I understand it are just virtual collections of images and they will be the same, no matter how many collections you create.
You could pack the collection as an EIP and import it into a new catalogue - then create different versions in the second catalogue. It's messy though.
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Shane Baker thank you for taking the time to respond. Yes, that would be too complicated (not elegant), but I follow your thought process.
SFA I tried your suggestion, and it worked, but I guess I could tag the second variant with a different color and filter it. I find it challenging to think that I can't move the virtual copy (variant) to another folder and not have it duplicated in so many places.
I thought that the "Add to Selects Album" option would take care of that problem, but I can't find any documentation on what this option is for
any other suggestions?
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The following may not fit but it might help. I create a clone and then first modify the parent and label it with a color tag, and then modify the "clone (2) and label it with a different color tag. I then create two different smart user collections one for one color and the second for the different color. The smart album approach seems to work and may work for you. Be sure to review how smart albums are made.
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Thanks, everyone, for the helpful tips. I know the way I am trying to accomplish this is perhaps a corner case, and I might have to get used to the way the C1 is designed to be used.
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> AJ: ...I can't move the virtual copy (variant) to another folder...
A folder on disk keeps (or rather organizes) files on disk. A variant is not a file. A variant can be exported to a file, but that file is not a variant in Capture One lingo.
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@Odds. That’s is fully understood and it obvious., yet keep in mind a variant is a virtual copy that can be modify (virtually). The fact the you have a virtual copy there should be an option to move it around just like you will do in any virtual environment. All I am asking is to move a virtual copy to a virtual album aka User Collection.
If mentioned earlier, this could be a corner case, yet there were workaround provided by people that think out of the box.
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> AJ: ...move a virtual copy to a virtual album...
Which differs from what I commented on.
I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that v23 has a new feature that allows a subset of variants, rather than the full set, to be added to one or more albums.
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OP - did you find a solution to this problem? I found your thread while trying to search for the answer to the same problem, basically would like to have two variants of the original image with two different styles in two separate collections. Both variants referring to the same original picture but can be edited independent of each other. As OP mentioned currently when I edit one variant the other one gets edited as well, which defeats the purpose of creating a variant in this case. Any solutions in more recent versions since this question was posted?
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In the most recent versions of Capture One, you can have two different variants of an image in two different albums. They introduced that capability in version 23 (release 16.0) so if your version is that or later, this should work for you.
For example, you could create a second variant (from the Image menu, choose Clone Variant, or New Variant, or there are keyboard shortcuts) then add one to an album called Colour and the other to an album called Black-and-White. The adjustments you make to one variant should not affect the other variant. That is the point of using variants, after all.
Ian
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Thanks Ian Wilson - I tried that before posting and it did not work for me. I do have build 16.5.2.2623
Here is what I did:
- Right clicked the picture in the current user collection, Collection 1, and selected Clone Variant
- Moved the variant with 1 on it to another user collection, Collection 2, by dragging it there
- Edited that image with different settings in Collection 2
- Came back to Collection 1 and found that file to be edited with the same changes I made in 2
P.S: How do I see both the original image and the variant separately in the viewer? I only see the cloned variant with a 1 on the image once I clone it.
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What are Collection 1 and Collection 2? Are they albums, or folders? You can't move two variants to different folders, because the actual image file only lives in one place. But you can move them to different albums.
If you want to see the two variants side-by-side, view them in the actual folder they are in, rather than in the album you have moved one to.
So in the folder where this image sits, I created a second variant, and converted one to black-and white.
As you can see,
- I can see the two variants side-by side, and
- I can make adjustments to one (changing to black and white, etc) without affecting the other.
I suggest you make sure you can do that, first, and then worry about putting them in different albums afterwards.
Ian
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If you place the same variant in two collections, and edit it in one collection those edits will show up elsewhere. You edited that variant. If you create different variants as Ian Wilson illustrates above you can edit them separately and place each variant in separate collections.
Each variant is a "virtual copy" with its own unique set of adjustments, metadata, rating, color label, keywords. Each variant of an image use the same disk file as their source, but render different outputs.
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