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History Panel

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  • SFA
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    Ben Dearnley

    There are already shortcut keys to create variants - either new or cloned based what is currently being edited.

    It is not necessary to have all the variants on display. If you would prefer not to just stack them under the Primary variant currently selected. Or use some smart filtering to make them visible/invisible as required.

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  • Thomas Kyhn
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    Brian Jordan

    In Lightroom, you can save snapshots, i.e. specific stages in the editing proces, which will then appear in a list, so that you can go back and forth between them and compare. Unlike variants, they don't have each their preview or thumbnail. The equivalent of variants in Lightroom is virtual copies. Have a look at this video, for instance, to see how it works.

    Ben Dearnley

    Yes, even a keyboard shortcut to record a snapshot of current settings would be better than nothing. This is what Hasselblad's Phocus software has. Very useful. Much better than multiple variants bloating and complicating the filmstrip, which is the only way I can see C1 having anything comparable. LR has snapshots as well.

    I agree. Variants are great as variants, but not as snapshots. And if you do use them as snapshots, there's no way of distinguishing between variants used as variants and variants used as a substitute for snapshots, and you can't see to which version/variant of an image a variant (snapshot substitute) belongs. Obviously, the resulting mess is only exacerbated by not being able to give individual variants a name/title that shows up in the browser.

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  • Ben Dearnley

    Very well explained Thomas - Variants are no substitute for snapshots. For me they are clunky, messy and confusing. I want a list of previous stages (snapshots or history states) I can click on for each image to go back and forth through different processing stages. 

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  • john hardiman

    Personally I think the Lightroom implementation of history and snapshots is close to perfect, very easy to find an adjustment you made (or accidentally made) in the history list or when you exported a copy, which is often a handy place to return to too. Branches in the history panel seems overly complicated to me as you probably wouldn't remember what you were attempting to do with each branch anyway, snapshots in Lighroom solves that by making each 'branch' a deliberate choice which can be named without having to double up on variants, while keeping the history as a way to wind back deliberate or accidental changes with a list that displays exactly what was changed.

    Another thing about the Lightroom implementation is that all the history takes up space in the catalog, as each set of chances is associated with an image.  I recall there is also a way to clear the history to save space which is nice touch, can't recall if that's in bulk or if applied to a selection of images.  The ability to clear unwanted history on a folder by folder basis or in bulk would be a nice touch for C1 if history was implemented.

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  • Brian Jordan
    Moderator

    I guess I'm just so used to variants and no history that it's difficult to make the connection.  I work in Lr/LrC only when I have to.  I do it begrudgingly.  And I wash my hands when I'm finished.  :)

     

    --------I just don't like the way Lr renders colors and I feel very limited.  Even back in the day I'd do whatever work in Camera Raw then bounce to PS.  Again, I'm sure that's because I'm used to this tool and not that tool.  Not trying to start an argument.

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  • Ben Dearnley

    Agreed, r.e. LR's horrible color. This is why I use C1 now but I used to use LR and I really miss some things like the history . It just seems like such a useful thing and a glaring ommission from C1, which is so feature-rich and otherwise perfect. Even basic software like Hasselblad's has always had a snapshot feature. 

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  • john hardiman

     This is why I use C1 now but I used to use LR and I really miss some things like the history .It just seems like such a useful thing and a glaring ommission from C1, which is so feature-rich and otherwise perfect.

    I found the same thing when switching from LR to C1.  Capture One's editing features are excellent but there still some general usability things like history or working with folders/sub folders etc which are still clumsy by comparison.

     

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  • Thomas Kyhn
    Top Commenter

    Brian Jordan

    I guess I'm just so used to variants and no history that it's difficult to make the connection.  I work in Lr/LrC only when I have to.

    As for variants/snapshots, the main issue in Capture One, if you use variants as a substitute for snapshots, is not having the hierarchical organization + no immediate way of distinguishing between variants. There may be workarounds for this (using keywords and other metadata), but considering Capture One's poor performance when it comes to catalogues/DAM this isn't a very attractive solution + it requires more work.

    I very rarely use Lightroom, but when using Capture One I miss some of Lightroom's advantages – in addition to snapshots: no unresponsiveness, its ability to handle large catalogues, instantaneous search results, more advanced handling of metadata, a far better keystone correction tool, etc.

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  • DMu

    Hi Graham, I totally agree with you request. I just wanted to raise the same feature request but noticed you raised it already :)

    As a former Lightroom user I'm still missing the history panel and the snap shot as wel. I just made some edits, want to go back en then it's much harder to see when to stop going backwards than just clicking on the proper state in the history panel as we see in Lightroom.

    Kind regards,

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  • Rani Joensen

     

    In my experience the history panel has become an indispensable tool during my editing sessions. Typically, I work on a series of photographs rather than individual images. These sets often feature varying lighting conditions, and my goal is always to achieve a cohesive look across the entire set. This means relying on a single preset is rarely effective; each photo requires its unique tweaks to harmonize with the others.

    The challenge arises when revisiting previously edited photos in the set, especially after a break or when moving between images. It can be tricky to recall the exact adjustments made to a specific photo. If I need to revert a few steps on an image I edited earlier, the lack of a detailed history can be a hindrance.

    Since transitioning my wedding photography work to Capture One, I've noticed a significant improvement in color rendering, particularly for images from my Sony camera. However, this switch has also led to longer editing times for each set, primarily due to the differences in the history tracking features compared to Lightroom.

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  • Fabrizio Giudici (stoppingdown)

    Variants as snapshots could be a useful workaround... if they could be assigned a name.

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  • TomLondon

    It would really be great to have that - I was just looking where to find it, and was very surprised it did not exist. When I tweak a picture for printing I sometimes find that it does not work - and it would be good to go back to "today's start", even if I forgot to create a variant before. It would also be great to see two years later what exactly I have done to a specific picture - be it because there's a shot requiring similar treatment, be it because I need to fix sth.  

    Frankly speaking - I have no idea what is the issue. C1 is a non-destructive editor, so it must save the image changes I applied. I actually found out the "hard way" that it stores a lot of history - when I accidentally undid a change from my last session, instead of from the work for readying the picture for print. 

    In terms of granularity - it's probably a bit like the undo mechanism. If I am painting in the mask, I want to be able to undo the last brush strokes. If I have changed tools in the meantime, it's perfectly fine to undo all the painting activities on the mask if I roll back.

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