History Panel
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Please provide a history panel.
What problem do you see this solving?
Without a History Panel, there is no way of reviewing edits, or reverting to an earlier state, other than keep on pressing ctrl-z or Undo, which is very inefficient.
Ctrl-z will allow you to step back and undo changes, so the steps must be recorded within Capture One, at least during its current use. The problem is, you cannot see them. You need a history panel to show you exactly what the changes were so that you can make a fully informed decision as to what the changes were and whether you want to eliminate or amend them.
Even a non-persistent panel would be better than nothing (i.e. the history steps would not survive the closure and re-opening of the programme), although a persistent panel would of course be better.
When was the last time you were affected by this lack of functionality, or specific tool?
Every time I use Capture One. I often want to review the earlier steps I have taken. I do this all the time in Lightroom.
Are you using any workarounds or other solutions to achieve your goals in Capture One?
Ctrl-z or Undo is not really a workaround: you need a panel to show you what the steps were.
Lightroom has a history panel, just about every other RAW converter and image editor I have ever seen has a history panel. Why not in Capture One?
Are you happy to be contacted further about this suggestion or request?
Yes
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Official comment
Hi everyone,
Thank you for the suggestion - this is not something we are currently working on.This does not mean this is a bad suggestion or that it will never be adressed, but in an effort of transparency we want you to know that we are not currently allocating resources to solving this issue.
We will revisit the status of this thread if and when it changes.
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yes I agree with this post! also see my post that I am about to make re locked versions covering similar but not identical requirements
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Completely agree. When making image adjustments for physical prints, I have to write on the prints what I change between each test print. So much easier in lightroom. In fact, I've started exporting images to lightroom and doing final edits there so I can keep track of what is changes. The lack of edit history really diminishes C1 for anyone who makes prints.....
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I agree that CO (C1?) should record editing history.
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Big thumbs up from me on this request too. Checking a tick box for adjustments which have been made is definitely not the same function as a history panel.
What problem do you see this solving?
I need to step back several steps to a specific point in time (not just undo).
Usage: I am currently working on art reproductions and I had correctly set the white balance of an image. Later, I came back to the image in Capture One to trial some adjustments to white balance to trouble shoot an issue. Forgetting that Capture One does not have a history panel (Like Photoshop/Lightroom for example), I made ad hoc adjustments to the white balance and was unable to find my previous correct setting. Resetting white balance would not help. I could only fix it by searching for a previous image of a colour checker card and making a copy of the correct white balance settings. History is a fundamental part of Photoshop and Lightroom and should be in Capture One also.
When was the last time you were affected by this lack of functionality, or specific tool?
Often.
Are you using any workarounds or other solutions to achieve your goals in Capture One?
The point of a history panel is often to fix something that went wrong, there is no work around for making a mistake, since it's a mistake. Only a history panel can fix things that went wrong if a specific set of settings is required or if you don't quite know what was changed and you need to find a previous state. Using Undo is not the same as you can not see the steps and work out where you were.
Are you happy to be contacted further about this suggestion or request?
Yes.
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Re variants. Yes and that does not achieve the same result. You would have to know exactly when to make the variant in advance of the need for it. And then remember at what point you made that variant. Which without the history being available is not quickly achieved. Variants are still be useful though just not to solve the task of history info. If the variants were lockable they would be even more useful. I have a separate feature request on that!
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I concur. Please add a history panel to Capture One Pro.
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I support this request and honestly didn't think I ever would (never used it even with Lr) but someone else's comments above on printing was a good use, I feel. I use different variants for that purpose today. I'd rather have a better experience though than just a list of what I've done. Like variants, which are a physical representation of a set of changes, a history panel on a single variant with the ability to group a sequence of changes and annotate that group might be interesting, and then be able to select and compare the group (or probably make a variant off the group and then compare would be the way might see it).
I rarely want Capture One to lift-and-shift some capability. They have a very interesting POV on things (they've been at it for almost 25 years, in one way, shape or form) and I'd like that to be reflected in any implementation. After all, if I wanted C1 to be just like Lr, I'd just use Lr.
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Please add a history panel to Capture One Pro - it really is basic functionality! Thank you!
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It definitely seems important for Lr folks moving over. Like dehaze, which also seemed really important to ex-Lr folks, I’m not sure I’d use it much, but for those who want or need it, I can imagine it could be a reasonably straight-forward thing to do. I personally don’t need a history panel most of the time, but would like the “adjustments used” indicators from the mobile app brought over to the desktop (the orange dot indicating a particular adjustment slider/control was used). That + the existing variants paradigm would be super-useful.
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I agree 💯
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What? There is an “adjustments used” indicator in the mobile app? I have been requesting this for C1 desktop since years and just again recently and it has been set to "we have no interest in this"
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One of the reason why C1P sucks.
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I’m curious as to why you’d use a tool you think sucks?
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A history panel would be a great addition. I used LR for a project recently and was reminded what a helpful feature it is! It would be awesome to have in Capture One.
The other feature that is far more user friendly in LR is the copy adjustments feature where in LR, a box pops up where you can check or uncheck the settings you do or do not want to copy. SO much easier.
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Copy adjustments:
What is it exactly which is easier in LR, the box popping up?
In C1 you have the Adjustments Clipboard tool. Select your target image, click the one-way copy icon, then the clipboard tool is filled with checkmarks, then select the target images and click the one-way apply icon. This is one way of doing it, there are slight variations too.
I suggest to keep this thread dedicated to "History panel" though.
https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002485038-The-Adjustments-Clipboard-overview
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I 100% agree with you Graham, this is one of the main things I miss so much that light room has always had. Hope this will come as soon as possible
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One more vote from me for a history panel. Can a C1 rep please explain WHY it is not planned at the moment? Seems like a very useful tool, often requested, and probably not that hard to implement. Not to mention LR and other processing software has it already and it is so so useful.
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and probably not that hard to implement.
I assume it's quite difficult to implement, that's why they don't plan to do it. Just like with other very popular requests like "locked variants" or "named variants" - I get the impression that C1's code architecture might not be very flexible, requiring extensive re-work for seemingly small adjustments.
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I assume it's quite difficult to implement, that's why they don't plan to do it. Just like with other very popular requests like "locked variants" or "named variants" - I get the impression that C1's code architecture might not be very flexible, requiring extensive re-work for seemingly small adjustments.
That's very likely. Presumably the same goes for countless other issues and limitations. Perhaps it's time to take a break from introducing new features and finally do something about the fundamental parts of the software.
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If using many brush strokes, or one is fine tuning a tool setting using the arrow keys in the numerical input fields or using the mouse wheel over the slider, how many / which historic states should be shown in the panel?
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If using many brush strokes, or one is fine tuning a tool setting using the arrow keys in the numerical input fields or using the mouse wheel over the slider, how many / which historic states should be shown in the panel?
Yes OK, fair point. How does Lightroom handle it? And how does C1's existing "undo" feature decide these things? I assumed there was already a log of recorded steps somewhere in the memory.
I guess when a slider is fine tuned in the way you mention, maybe the final figure can be recorded in the history when the user moves on to another tool or image.
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I guess when a slider is fine tuned in the way you mention, maybe the final figure can be recorded in the history when the user moves on to another tool or image.
That is the only reasonable way I can currently imagine, plus maybe a keyboard shortcut to explicitly make a snap.
Each brush stroke is recorded in the undo list (though the list is sometimes emptied suddenly, with my old 15.2 at least). Don't have LR so I don't know.
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Yes, even a keyboard shortcut to record a snapshot of current settings would be better than nothing. This is what Hasselblad's Phocus software has. Very useful. Much better than multiple variants bloating and complicating the filmstrip, which is the only way I can see C1 having anything comparable. LR has snapshots as well.
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A snapshot function has been requested here. I found this very useful in Lightroom. This is very different from a history panel, though, and would rather be used to save specific stages in the editing process than to save the whole editing history. Also, for snapshots to be useful and in order to remember what what stages they represent, you'd most likely want to name them, unlike the steps in a history panel. The advantage of a history panel is it does not require any action on the part of the user, and every step would be named automatically.
As for the quantification/splitting up of series of actions into individual steps, this works fine in Photoshop and Lightroom, so there's no reason to assume it wouldn't be possible in Capture One.
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Thomas Kyhn How are these different from variants?
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In Lightroom, you can save snapshots, i.e. specific stages in the editing proces, which will then appear in a list, so that you can go back and forth between them and compare. Unlike variants, they don't have each their preview or thumbnail. The equivalent of variants in Lightroom is virtual copies. Have a look at this video, for instance, to see how it works.
Yes, even a keyboard shortcut to record a snapshot of current settings would be better than nothing. This is what Hasselblad's Phocus software has. Very useful. Much better than multiple variants bloating and complicating the filmstrip, which is the only way I can see C1 having anything comparable. LR has snapshots as well.
I agree. Variants are great as variants, but not as snapshots. And if you do use them as snapshots, there's no way of distinguishing between variants used as variants and variants used as a substitute for snapshots, and you can't see to which version/variant of an image a variant (snapshot substitute) belongs. Obviously, the resulting mess is only exacerbated by not being able to give individual variants a name/title that shows up in the browser.
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Very well explained Thomas - Variants are no substitute for snapshots. For me they are clunky, messy and confusing. I want a list of previous stages (snapshots or history states) I can click on for each image to go back and forth through different processing stages.
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Personally I think the Lightroom implementation of history and snapshots is close to perfect, very easy to find an adjustment you made (or accidentally made) in the history list or when you exported a copy, which is often a handy place to return to too. Branches in the history panel seems overly complicated to me as you probably wouldn't remember what you were attempting to do with each branch anyway, snapshots in Lighroom solves that by making each 'branch' a deliberate choice which can be named without having to double up on variants, while keeping the history as a way to wind back deliberate or accidental changes with a list that displays exactly what was changed.
Another thing about the Lightroom implementation is that all the history takes up space in the catalog, as each set of chances is associated with an image. I recall there is also a way to clear the history to save space which is nice touch, can't recall if that's in bulk or if applied to a selection of images. The ability to clear unwanted history on a folder by folder basis or in bulk would be a nice touch for C1 if history was implemented.
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