Fuji X-T2 RAF -> DNG with LR, on C1 photo is terrible

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  • Rob Wiejak
    If you still have the original RAF files, then C1 version 12 now supports Fujifilm X-T2 raw files so there is no need for conversion.

    http://zabcia.ca/C1/xt2.jpg
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  • SFA
    It may be worth checking the release notes for the general comments related to the use of DNG files and the specific notes listed for Fuji Xtran cameras.

    I don't know enough about DNG files or Fuji cameras to be in a position to answer your question but I suspect that the DNG conversions may not include usable Xtran colour informationm and C1 is seeing the camera reported as if it was a RAF file.

    If you have not already done so you could try changing the ICC Profile for the image to Adobe>DNG and one of the options offered there to see what happens.

    As I understand it there are some different versions of the DNG standard but hopefully trying what is available will discover a resolution.

    If not I would suggest creating a Support Case to discuss this with the C1 support team.


    HTH.


    Grant
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  • Dave R
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    It may be worth checking the release notes for the general comments related to the use of DNG files and the specific notes listed for Fuji Xtran cameras.

    I don't know enough about DNG files or Fuji cameras to be in a position to answer your question but I suspect that the DNG conversions may not include usable Xtran colour informationm and C1 is seeing the camera reported as if it was a RAF file.

    If you have not already done so you could try changing the ICC Profile for the image to Adobe>DNG and one of the options offered there to see what happens.

    As I understand it there are some different versions of the DNG standard but hopefully trying what is available will discover a resolution.

    If not I would suggest creating a Support Case to discuss this with the C1 support team.


    HTH.


    Grant

    DNG is just a wrapper and when Lightroom converts RAF to DNG it does not change the actual RAW data. CO reads this data happily, the confusion about this arises because you can also embed the original RAF inside the DNG (doubling its size). I have numerous XPro 1 and 2 files converted to DNG without embedded RAF that open happily and accurately in CO.
    This of course does not answer the OPs question.

    Dave
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  • SFA
    Converted to DNG via Lightroom?

    And OK in V12?

    If so that's useful information for the supporters to know.

    Either way it sounds like a Support Case would be a sensible way to go. The problem may yet turn out to be something like a shooting mode issue as previously seen.


    Grant
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  • Dave R
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    Converted to DNG via Lightroom?

    And OK in V12?

    If so that's useful information for the supporters to know.

    Either way it sounds like a Support Case would be a sensible way to go. The problem may yet turn out to be something like a shooting mode issue as previously seen.


    Grant

    Yes V12, never had a problem with DNG during beta testing and just to make sure there was no problem I just converted 17 Fuji X-Pro 2 RAF to DNG using stand alone DNG converter and they open fine in Capture One with all metadata present and correct. I can apply all the Fuji curves without any problem.

    Dave
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  • SFA
    Good info.

    So maybe it's a Lightroom conversion thing or something to do with shooting mode as per other reports of strange colours (in V11) .
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  • Dave R
    [quote="David532" wrote:
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    Converted to DNG via Lightroom?

    And OK in V12?

    If so that's useful information for the supporters to know.

    Either way it sounds like a Support Case would be a sensible way to go. The problem may yet turn out to be something like a shooting mode issue as previously seen.


    Grant

    Yes V12, never had a problem with DNG during beta testing and just to make sure there was no problem I just converted 17 Fuji X-Pro 2 RAF to DNG using stand alone DNG converter and they open fine in Capture One with all metadata present and correct. I can apply all the Fuji curves without any problem.


    Dave


    I am having second thoughts, comparing the DNG I just converted and the original RAFs in CO there are differences particularly in the White balance where as shot read completely different paticularaly the tint.
    I think my decision to abandon conversion to DNG for RAF was correct after all.

    I have looked at some XPro 1 RAF and DNG and the difference between the two versions is much less with only a small variation in color balance settings. It seems that those cameras that use the new Fuji film simulation curves, XPro 2 and later, do have a color balance problem if converted to DNG.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Just for my curiosity, would the OP be able to change the Curve in Base Characteristics into Film Standard for a converted X-T2 DNG file?
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  • NN229650UL
    The same for X-T20 RAF to DNG conversion. Some DNG conversions are OK, but some looks the same - red and blue channels are swapped.

    I can "repair" by set CFAPattern2 tag from "1 1 0 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 0 2 0 1 0 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 2 0 2 1 2 0 1" to "1 1 2 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 2 0 2 1 2 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 0 2 0 1 0 2 1" (swap red/blue) but in other software (LR, RawTherapee) the DNG looks bad.
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  • Mika Leinonen
    [quote="NNN636735230673236717" wrote:
    If you still have the original RAF files, then C1 version 12 now supports Fujifilm X-T2 raw files so there is no need for conversion.


    I don't have original RAF files anymore. I converted them to DNG when I imported my photos to Lightroom and then deleted RAF's. My understanding at that time was that DNG is non-proprietary RAW format that will have support "forever". I have over 100.000 DNG's that are made out of RAF's.
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  • Mika Leinonen
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    Just for my curiosity, would the OP be able to change the Curve in Base Characteristics into Film Standard for a converted X-T2 DNG file?


    Yes, I can change Curve to Film Standard in base Characteristics, but this does not fix the problem. There is still almost same blue / violet tint over the photo, no matter if I change Curve to something else.
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  • Mika Leinonen
    Thank you all for your comments and suggestions.

    I think I found possible reason for this problem and some sort of solution too...

    Problem seems to be in DNG conversion settings in Lightroom. I have setup my DNG conversion compatibility to be "Camera Raw 7.1 or later". C1 can't read these DNG's made out of Fuji RAF files properly for some reason (I don't know why). But when I change DNG conversion compatibility to be: "Camera Raw 6.6 or later" then Fuji RAF converted to DNG opens Ok with C1.

    This setting does not work:
    http://i.imgur.com/1VoTW7Wm.png


    This setting works:
    http://i.imgur.com/SAGs6Vhm.png
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  • SFA
    [quote="leinmi" wrote:
    Thank you all for your comments and suggestions.

    I think I found possible reason for this problem and some sort of solution too...

    Problem seems to be in DNG conversion settings in Lightroom. I have setup my DNG conversion compatibility to be "Camera Raw 7.1 or later". C1 can't read these DNG's made out of Fuji RAF files properly for some reason (I don't know why). But when I change DNG conversion compatibility to be: "Camera Raw 6.6 or later" then Fuji RAF converted to DNG opens Ok with C1.

    This setting does not work:
    http://i.imgur.com/1VoTW7Wm.png


    This setting works:
    http://i.imgur.com/SAGs6Vhm.png


    I think you should discuss this with C1 Support people.

    I have just spent some time looking through DNG related information but not finding any clear statements about the differences in Adobe RAW release compatibility matters nor, so far, any cross references for changes in the DNG standards version number documentation compared to Adobe RAW releases version numbers. However I would guess that somehow that information might help with understanding what aspects of the DNG versions may or may not be supported currently by Capture One. The Support Team should be able to help there.


    Grant
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  • mli20
    This looks fishy to me. Current ACR version is something like 11.1, and for use with Capture One we need to enable version 6.6 compatibilty, really? 🙄

    I agree with SFA that you should discuss this with C1 Support people.

    MLI
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  • SFA
    [quote="mli20" wrote:
    This looks fishy to me. Current ACR version is something like 11.1, and for use with Capture One we need to enable version 6.6 compatibilty, really? 🙄

    I agree with SFA that you should discuss this with C1 Support people.

    MLI


    I didn't see any information about any further version of the converter after 7.something on the Adobe web pages but then I may not have seen the latest pages.

    That said in theory there is no reason to keep upgrading the converter's base compatibility unless one wishes to take advantage of some new feature in the ACR software that perhaps suggests a modified DNG standard. There are several DNG standards produced by Adobe over the years and I seem to recall that the latest may not always get widespread support - as indeed has been the case for PDF files too.

    But either way it would be good to take it up with C1 Support.


    Grant
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  • Mika Leinonen
    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    I think you should discuss this with C1 Support people.

    I have just spent some time looking through DNG related information but not finding any clear statements about the differences in Adobe RAW release compatibility matters nor, so far, any cross references for changes in the DNG standards version number documentation compared to Adobe RAW releases version numbers. However I would guess that somehow that information might help with understanding what aspects of the DNG versions may or may not be supported currently by Capture One. The Support Team should be able to help there.


    Grant


    I have talked with C1 Support people and they are not able to help now. Only suggestion I got from them is to use Adobe DNG Converter to convert my "Compatibility: Camera Raw 7.1 and later" DNG files to "Compatibility: Camera Raw 6.6 and later" DNG files. What happens when I do this? Well my LR made DNG (Size about 31MB) converts to 71+MB DNG file - this is silly. Yes, now C1 can open this new DNG file, but this is too much trouble. Easier just to use Lightroom to edit files. Money put to C1 is wasted in this case for me - until C1 comes out with proper solution. I have over 100.000 DNG's made out of Fuji RAF -files. I can't convert them all like this, too big task and I would need huge number of new hard drives to store these files that over double in size when converting.
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  • Dave R
    [quote="leinmi" wrote:
    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    I think you should discuss this with C1 Support people.

    I have just spent some time looking through DNG related information but not finding any clear statements about the differences in Adobe RAW release compatibility matters nor, so far, any cross references for changes in the DNG standards version number documentation compared to Adobe RAW releases version numbers. However I would guess that somehow that information might help with understanding what aspects of the DNG versions may or may not be supported currently by Capture One. The Support Team should be able to help there.


    Grant


    I have talked with C1 Support people and they are not able to help now. Only suggestion I got from them is to use Adobe DNG Converter to convert my "Compatibility: Camera Raw 7.1 and later" DNG files to "Compatibility: Camera Raw 6.6 and later" DNG files. What happens when I do this? Well my LR made DNG (Size about 31MB) converts to 71+MB DNG file - this is silly. Yes, now C1 can open this new DNG file, but this is too much trouble. Easier just to use Lightroom to edit files. Money put to C1 is wasted in this case for me - until C1 comes out with proper solution. I have over 100.000 DNG's made out of Fuji RAF -files. I can't convert them all like this, too big task and I would need huge number of new hard drives to store these files that over double in size when converting.

    I discovered I am in much the same position, I found every single one of my old X20 files that has been converted to DNG a nice shade of blue. After spending all yesterday afternoon replacing the DNG files in the catalogue with the original .raf, a slow and time consuming activity that seemed to require all my 6 cores (12 with hyperthreading ) running flat out, I threw in the towel and reinstated my Lightroom/Photoshop licence.
    I shall keep Capture One but only use it on the odd picture in session mode.

    Dave
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  • Rob Wiejak
    I do not use DNG in C1, but have cameras that produce them: Black Magic (BM).
    Just to see if C1 can handle BM camera produced dng files I pointed C1 into one directory.
    C1 did opened the file so I could see, but all controls were disabled: no adjustment could be made.
    When I was closing C1 it took a long time 'saving' something despite of a fact that I could not adjust anything.
    I tried few other directories with the same result.
    So in my opinion C1 works with specific version of DNG files and it's not the latest version.
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