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  • Stephen_C
    [quote="NN636054944038497026UL" wrote:

    I right-clicked every single keyword in the keyword library and deleted it. Result: All the keywords are gone from the images. But as soon as I restart C1 11 Pro, they reappear. (Only in the library, not for the images themselves)


    What are your settings at the bottom of the Capture One Preferences > Image box? Is it possible you are re-reading older data from sidecar xmp files?


    The result: Only some of the images get tagged. For example, 100 images were selected, only 20 of them receive the keyword. Same result, when I add a keyword by clicking on an entry in the keyword library, after having selected the images.


    Have you enabled Edit Selected Variants (i.e., so that the icon before the diagonal arrows at the right end of the toolbar shows orange)?

    I'm also quite new to Capture One so apologise if these ideas are not as helpful as they might otherwise be!

    Stephen
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  • fulo
    Hi Stephen

    Thanks for your answer.

    The preferences for "Auto Sync Sidecar XMP" is set to "None".
    I also unchecked the option "Prefer Sidecar XMP…" but this didn't work. After deleting the keywords and restarting C1, they all appear again. ☹️

    The second issue with the orange Arrow doesn't change anything at all, either. ☹️
    When I select several images and type a keyword, only a part of them gets tagged. When I select the same images again, some more images get tagged, and so on. If I repeat the process "select, add keyword" for a dozens of times, all images will probably tagged in the end, but that's no solution I expect of a quite expensive software.
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  • Stephen_C
    [quote="NN636054944038497026UL" wrote:
    The preferences for "Auto Sync Sidecar XMP" is set to "None".
    I also unchecked the option "Prefer Sidecar XMP…" but this didn't work. After deleting the keywords and restarting C1, they all appear again.


    I suspect you're going to have to rely on someone more expert than me, sorry! However, there is a section in the Capture One guide that may just be of some assistance. It says:

    When keywords originate from within XMP sidecar files, they can only be removed from an image or variant by pressing (X) on each keyword individually. This state is temporary with XMP. The keywords can be reapplied using the Keyword tool’s local reset function.


    Does that help at all?

    The second issue with the orange Arrow doesn't change anything at all, either.


    Just by way of clarification the icon you have to ensure is enabled (i.e., orange) is the one on the left of the leftmost arrow - looking like sheets of paper laid on top of each other.

    Stephen
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  • Oliver Pearce
    I have exactly the same issue with the deleted keywords reappering on catalog relaunch. I have my catalog stored on a external SSD drive and the images referenced to a folders structure also contained on the drive. I have tried to search for the keywords in ~/library/application support/capture one/keywords but the folder is empty......?
    I would be happy to start again and delete all keywords but I'm not able to as they always reappear after relaunch
    In preferences my setting are
    Auto Sync sidecar XMP : None
    No tick on Embedded XMP
    No tick on Prefer Sidecar XMP


    Is this a bug?

    Any help would be great.
    Thank you
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  • fulo
    I made some efforts - or at least, I thought.

    I found out, that the keywords in the keyword library are all from files, different than raws or JPGs wich came out of my camera(s), i.e. JPG, TIFF, PSD wich I manipulated in Photoshop, downloaded from 500p, …

    So I filtered all these images in Capture One, selected each single picture and deleted the keywords, that were still attached by clicking the "x" in the keywords section. Then I double checked if the keywords still get shown, after selecting one of the images. This is not the case. No image has anymore keywords. When I use the filter, it shows not a single image with an assigned keyword. Also, after restarting C1, the keywords on the single images don't appear again.

    But: Within the keyword library, all the tags remain. I deleted every single one by right-clicking on them once more. I thought, now, as all the keywords are definitely gone from my images, the library should sty empty after a restart. But unfortunately, after a restart: Everything is back again. ☹️

    In the preferences I tried to check and uncheck every setting relating to XMP stuff, but nothing helps.
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  • Abbott Schindler
    It looks like your keywords are in the catalog/session and not in the actual images. Did you by any chance have a keyword list in LR that you imported into C1? If so, it should show up in the Keyword Library pane, and you can delete that keyword list. For example, I used to work with Aperture and had a nice keyword list there. I exported that list as a text file and imported it into C1. It now shows in the Keyword Library as "Imported Aperture Keywords", and is persistent across all of my sessions and catalogs. In addition, there are session/catalog keywords that I may have added in a particular session/catalog, and those show only in that session/catalog.

    If the keywords were still showing in your images, it could be that they were embedded in the individual image files, in which case you'll need to use another application to remove them from the images, and then have C1 "load metadata" for those images (File...Load Metadata).
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  • Robert Farhi
    I have the same problem with keywords unintentionally imported when I imported my Lightroom catalog. I can't rid off them. I put a case to the PO team some time ago, and their answer was that there is nothing to do.... ☹️
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  • SFA
    [quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
    I have the same problem with keywords unintentionally imported when I imported my Lightroom catalog. I can't rid off them. I put a case to the PO team some time ago, and their answer was that there is nothing to do.... ☹️


    If, technically, this is the case for some reason then so be it.

    Maybe you could suggest that a Keyword "ignore" list could be provided in order to block certain keywords even though they might legitimately appear embedded in files or by other means?


    Grant
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  • fulo
    I'm going mad with this…

    1. I deleted all the XMP Files (after a backup) and emptied the trash.
    2. In C1 i checked, if any image still has some keywords assigned: No.
    3. I deleted the catalogue and restarted: After creating a new catalogue and importing some sample images, all the keywords in the library were back. The images themselves still show no keywords.
    4. I deleted the catalogue (and emptied the trash).
    5. I opened some of the images in Bridge: It showed me the keywords, I deleted in C1. So I deleted them again in Bridge.
    6. I created a new catalogue and imported the file, witch I just edited in Bridge (removing the keywords) -> C1 shows the keywords in the kw-library again
    7. Double-checked the meta data of the image in Lightroom, Photoshop CC, Bridge and Capture One. None of the programs showed me any keyword for the image.
    8. C1 still creates the keywords in the keywords library (and only in the library) every time I start the program.
    9. I uninstalled Capture 1 with all Caches, Presets and Logs.
    10. C1 still creates the keywords in the keywords library (and only in the library) every time I start the program.

    That's weird (or I'm too stupid for it…)
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  • fulo
    I got feedback from the phase one support:

    … We are aware of this issue in Capture One 11 and I am going to raise this again with our development team.
    Please bear with me whilst I look further into this and look to come up with a solution. …
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  • Vincenzo Camparada
    I have the same problem and I'm absolutely sure that the keywords I'm not able to delete are those I set in Aperture before switching to Capture One
    Maybe this can help to find a solution
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  • Robert Farhi
    [quote="NN635574645093602905UL" wrote:
    I have the same problem and I'm absolutely sure that the keywords I'm not able to delete are those I set in Aperture before switching to Capture One
    Maybe this can help to find a solution


    The same for me with those set in Lightroom before switching.....
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  • Robert Farhi
    I have found a sort of workaround today.
    I have exported the "catalog keywords" (which can't be modified for the time being, alas) to a txt file, and suppressed all the keywords which were not relevant, by comparison with the list of keywords that appears when you go to "all images" and in the keywords section of the library tool.
    I have then reimported that relevant txt file list, which contains the only keywords I wanted to keep, into a new keyword list that I have created.
    By ignoring the keyword list (you can fold it up), you can work with the only relevant keywords.
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  • Jaimie Lancaster
    Don't know if this is helpful or not but I'm having the same problem. I'm working with Sessions and started getting all the weird keywords. I had another Session db that wasn't exhibiting the problem. I created a new session (based on the uncorrupted session), set my other capture folder as the capture folder and all is back to normal. Weird and frustrating. Hopefully they'll get it fixed soon.
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  • ericnepean
    In COP 10 I was troubled with a few keywords that I could never seem to delete (they were old keywords that I didn't want anymore). Eventually I found that when I opened some of the JPG files with OS X preview, the persistent unwanted keywords were present, and I realized that they were embedded in the JPG file.

    I then used another piece of SW (that wasn't COP) - could have been preview - to remove the unwanted keywords from the JPG, and that fixed the problem.
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  • Benoit Malphettes
    Same crazy problem here, can't get rid of KWs that probably came from LR. Tried by using MediaPro, no luck, quite a frustrating situation
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  • fulo
    Still the same problem after about three months later.
    I wonder why PO isn't able to fix this bug in a professional, quite expensive software after such a long time…
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  • John Doe
    Did you file a bug report?
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  • fulo
    I had contact with the PO support, that told me, that they are aware of this issue in C1 11.
    I ran some more tests, deleted all the keywords with ExifTools, but same result.

    Then I took another closer look in Photoshop. The keywords-list is empty, too, but when I switch to the tab "RAW-Files" in the file information window, I can find the annoying entries in the xmp-code of the JPG and TIFF files (! The problem is NOT in the RAW files, only in JPGs and Tiffs!).

    http://xchange.fuchsbox.de/foren/keyword.jpg

    If I could delete this information, this might be the solution. But I can't edit this code in Photoshop.
    Anyone an idea, how to solve this?

    Thanks a lot
    Philip
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  • Patrick Baur
    Dear all,

    I have just experienced the same issue. And in my case, I have found a solution. However, I am not sure if my workaround will help you sufficiently. I had the problem with the reappearing keywords in the keyword library only in a very small catalog.

    In my case, the reappearing keywords were formarly added by another application. I guess, Photoshop elements, years ago. Somehow, a bunch of these keywords managed to survive in only about three jpg-files. When I tried to delete them with C1 I experienced the same issues with the catalog keyword library. I opened the same images in Adobe Bridge and found still some embedded keywords in jpg files that were not shown in C1. I deleted these keywords via Bridge. Back to C1, the issue was still prevailing. After having deleted the particular images in the C1 catalog and then doing a reimport of the images - the catalog keyword library was finally cleaned up.

    I am aware that if you manage a large catalog this might not help you much. But I wanted to share my experience with this issue with you.

    Best,
    Patrick
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  • Robert Farhi
    Thanks Patrick,

    But in my case, I have some remnant keywords, imported through LR, with no corresponding image !!
    And I can't get rid of them....
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  • fulo
    😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄

    I found a solution for this issue!

    As the problem was the embedded XMP-information for the Hierarchical Keywords, I looked for a tool, that could remove only this XMP-data, without deleting any EXIFs or IPCT data. After several tries, I found the Graphics Converter (GC) (https://www.lemkesoft.de/mac-fotobearbe ... etrachter/). I used the trial version (but will buy it, as it really helped me out and I want to support the company).

    1. In the GC Browser View, I selected the folder/files with the unwanted keywords (After having checked in C1, wich files were affected. These were mostly TIFFs and PSDs).
    2. Right-Click: "Remove Meta-Data…"
    3. Uncheck all boxes but "XMP"
    4. OK

    In the End there is only one single Keyword in the Keyword Library remaining.
    Therefore, I can't find a solution, as on the other hand, none of the images shows a keyword anymore.
    So I have no idea, where C1 gets this information for the Keyword Library.

    But one annoying keywords is better to handle than many (until PO maybe arrives to fix this bug with the reload of already deleted keywords in the library).

    Hope this helps for someone else, too.
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  • Patrick Baur
    Dear all,

    Just to be clear, ...

    In my case, I couldn't see the keywords in C1 either. They were invisible on the images as such. They only appeared in the catalog keyword library. However, when I opened a image folder in Adobe Bridge I found only 3 images which still contained a few keywords. I have written that the C1 catalog in concern is rather small. Still, it holds more than 1'000 images. And of this more than 1'000 there were only 3 "corrupt" jpg files containing some keywords that were not visible in C1. What solved the problem in my case was not the mere deleting of the assigned keywords in Adobe Bridge. It was also the removing of the identified images from the C1 catalog. And then reimporting the 3 images. I guess, this somehow cleaned up the keyword library within tha C1 catalog.

    In this sense, I have the feeling that some of you could make use of the same procedure. You would just have to find the particular images. Probably they are jpgs or tiffs and not raw files. I with you good luck with it.

    Best,
    Patrick
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  • Ole Andreas Ringdal
    Same problem on Windows, as mentioned in my post in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=27165
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  • ericnepean
    I had a similar problem with keywords embeedded in just a few images. I think I used XNVIEW MP, a free tool which has an info pane that allows editing of some of the XMP and EXIF values.
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