Capture One 11 ruined my styles :-(

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  • Emile Gregoire
    Yeah, not being able to roll back to the v10 engine is... eh... an omission, diplomatically put.

    You could go to the preferences and set v10 as the default processing engine (image tab) and then creating a new variant of the image. I just tested it and it works. It *is* a workaround though and not ideal.

    I haven't tried the RNI film styles in v11 yet but it looks like most of my styles work out ok.
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  • C3PiO
    [quote="Emile1" wrote:
    You could go to the preferences and set v10 as the default processing engine (image tab) and then creating a new variant of the image. I just tested it and it works. It *is* a workaround though and not ideal.

    I haven't tried the RNI film styles in v11 yet but it looks like most of my styles work out ok.


    Thank you! That worked for me too.
    Totally agree on workaround. Why don't they make it like in Lightroom, where the process version is just an editing option?
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  • Emile Gregoire
    I don't think it ever was different in C1 but indeed, being able to toggle from one to another would be handy. Might want to consider putting in a feature request.
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  • SFA
    Are you using catalogues or sessions?

    Either way I assume you have a solid and thorough back up of how things were before you dived into the upgrade so it ought not to be too much effort to revert if you feel the need to do so.


    Grant
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  • Emile Gregoire
    I'm getting some weird banding in the sky in for instance Phase One's Cinematic style CM-12. I get different color readouts for that style in the advanced color editor with the only difference being processing engine 10 vs 11. There's also a luma curve adjustment in that style and adjusting it just shifts the banding across the sky. Using the same style in v10 produces a very clean sky with exactly the same settings.

    Haven't looked at the RNI styles yet though I do have them.
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  • Emile Gregoire
    Here's a quick example with Phase One's Seasonal SN-01 style. Just a quick family snap. Look at the sky.

    v10 processing engine

    http://www.emilegregoire.com/phaseone/v10.jpg

    v11 processing engine

    http://www.emilegregoire.com/phaseone/v11.jpg
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  • Emile Gregoire
    Somehow I can't seem to get posting images right. Sorry, this is only part of the image but the difference is clearly visible.
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  • SFA
    [quote="Emile" wrote:
    Somehow I can't seem to get posting images right. Sorry, this is only part of the image but the difference is clearly visible.


    Yep, that's clearly visible.

    Support Case created?

    You have a few hours to make a report and mess up someone's weekend in North America!

    😉
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  • Emile Gregoire
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    [quote="Emile" wrote:
    Somehow I can't seem to get posting images right. Sorry, this is only part of the image but the difference is clearly visible.


    Yep, that's clearly visible.

    Support Case created?

    You have a few hours to make a report and mess up someone's weekend in North America!

    😉


    😄

    Did that. Packed an EIP so they can have a ball.
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  • Emile Gregoire
    Got a swift reply:

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    The changes we have made under the hood of the color editor generally result in a more controlled color section compared to before. Here then is a bit of an unintended consequences which is that in some ways Capture One 10 was over selecting color in the color editor. If you expand the color editor selection outward for this image, theadditional sky colors will be included in the 11 image like they were in 10.
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    I did that and that works. Just drag the outer edge of the pie towards the edge in the advanced color selector and the problem melts as snow before the sun. Might be a solution for the problems the OP had with his RNI styles as well.
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  • SFA
    [quote="Emile" wrote:
    Got a swift reply:

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    The changes we have made under the hood of the color editor generally result in a more controlled color section compared to before. Here then is a bit of an unintended consequences which is that in some ways Capture One 10 was over selecting color in the color editor. If you expand the color editor selection outward for this image, theadditional sky colors will be included in the 11 image like they were in 10.
    ---

    I did that and that works. Just drag the outer edge of the pie towards the edge in the advanced color selector and the problem melts as snow before the sun. Might be a solution for the problems the OP had with his RNI styles as well.


    Excellent news!

    I have been looking at some very old edits - V7 and V8 era - and any changes at the unadjusted RAW level seem very slight.

    Looking at the RAW histogram I and flipping between the V7 and V11 versions the on screen image in the viewer may exhibit what appear to be tiny differences. The Histogram for both look almost identical except for a tiny shift to the left across the range which might suggest a minuscule compression to extract a little more headroom on the white end for the images I have looked at.

    That suggests that, at the body level, most images have much the same starting point before edits are applied.

    I don't have many V10 edits to look at but I do recall thinking that V9 to V10 updates seemed a little obvious in some instances. Maybe pre-V10 to V11 leaves users in a better situation?

    Great feedback Emile.

    Thanks.
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  • C3PiO
    Just to let you know: RNI have updated their film styles to be compatible with c1 11, and they work very well again. But personally I still very angry at Phase One for your poor thinking and an absolute lack of care for our existing settings and workflows.

    Every .costyle file contains a tag for the rendering engine version, and this tag does... just nothing. So even if a style had been created in v10 and has <SL Engine="1000"> line in it, it won't switch the rendering to v10. Instead it will use the v11 engine and produce anything but the look it has been created to produce.

    This is poor thinking, poor execution and a breach of trust. No excuse, just that.

    I wanted to point your attention again to the way Adobe handles their presets and process versions. With a lot of love and care — 100% backwards compatibility, nothing gets lost. Even if my Lightroom preset was created in 2003 – it still provides precisely the same look in 2018, thanks to their careful approach to presets and rendering engines versioning. That should be a lesson to learn for Phase One.
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  • alessandro cecconi
    [quote="NNN636367001543615043" wrote:
    Just to let you know: RNI have updated their film styles to be compatible with c1 11, and they work very well again. But personally I still very angry at Phase One for your poor thinking and an absolute lack of care for our existing settings and workflows.

    This is poor thinking, poor execution and a breach of trust. No excuse, just that.
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    Could not agree more but... they say it is a feature. When companies get too big the just loose the touch to customers. It happened to Adobe with LR and to a certain extent to PS, as affinity is growing leaps and bounds. It will happen to PO and then some small and young and caring company will come up with another great product and we will all migrate

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  • Peter Jones
    "It will happen to PO and then some small and young and caring company will come up with another great product and we will all migrate."

    I think we are seeing the start of this. If I was P1/C1 I would be getting very worried, because the P1/C1 system is too unwieldy to react quickly. Sad to witness the consequences of this for C1.

    My suggestion? Get back to the drawing board and redo the core features in a new version of C1. And review/revise the rules of engagement in the Forums (currently dating from March 2008 !?).

    Just my opinion, of course, Peter
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  • Benjamin Liddle
    You can set the default rendering engine to 10 under Preferences > Image. All new variants (including those of your existing images) will be in the version 10 engine, which you prefer.
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  • john matacola
    This is getting old very fast. They did it to me in 9,10, and now 11. I paid for style packs in each version and also developed my own settings so that I did not have to go through each picture of the rocks in Sedona o get the colors just right years ago and each time they updated their system I HAVE HAD TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND THEN SHELL OUT MORE M O N EY FOR THE STYLE PACKS!
    I went out and picked up an Adobe Lightroom 2 disc, that was never opened, on EBay, for $20 and then went with the update to Lightroom 6 for $60 on sale; $80 for the complete and permanent license. I do not think I will be updating anything else for a few years to come. I went with ThinkEd.com after registering at my local community college and got the latest Photoshop and Premiere Elements, with the full version of Office, for $60. College discounts rock, they give you a University email and it is free after you register, plus I even signed up for a B/W photo course that includes a school sponsored (cheap) trip for $85. ( they even let you use the dark room with the converter to digital and since I have an old Canon SLR it works out great for me) Fun stuff.
    j
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  • john matacola
    That was the Microsoft Office 2016 full version with word, access, excel, publisher, outlook, onenote, powerpoint, etc and the full version of Adobe Lightroom 6 and the free update was included to the last version for the last free standing version of Lightroom!
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  • Alexander Flemming
    Just to clarify in this thread as well:

    All Capture One Styles Packs are now updated to work with the new engine in Capture One 11. They are also backwards compatible with Capture One 10.

    Technically, the Styles have been tweaked with all Basic Color Edits moved to the Advanced Color Editor, effectively enabling them to work on layers*. Slight tweaks to the visual change matching the Styles on the 10 engine have been made where applicable.

    If you have previously bought a Styles Pack, you can download the updated version free of charge directly from your Order History after logging in to My Pages on http://www.phaseone.com.

    *Black and White, Film Grain and Vignetting does not work on layers. Styles with any of these settings will either not be available on layers or partly applied. A notification will appear if so.
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