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  • Robert Farhi
    Hi JTalbert,

    Sorry, but I don't get such issues. Actually, I had some when I imported my LR catalog 3 or 4 years ago, it took a full night to import and create previews of my 15k+ images, and some were missing.
    But once I did it, I haven't got any similar issue as you describe. I went back from Japan a month ago, with about 800+ files, and they were imported without any problem, at the rate of about one per second, preview and thumbnail creations included.
    I have a MacBook Pro late 2013, with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD, Nvidia GTX950. A rather old one.
    So, my question is : what is your config ?
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  • SFA
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:
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    I was on Phase One website earlier and happened to click on the careers button and with what I saw they are looking for a new "Senior Mac Engineer" to be ahead of a team of 20. So currently the development bus is rolling down the highway without a driver, so I do not expect a 12.01 update anytime soon.


    That is one heck of an assumption to make based on a job opening posted on a web site.
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  • John Doe
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:

    I was on Phase One website earlier and happened to click on the careers button and with what I saw they are looking for a new "Senior Mac Engineer" to be ahead of a team of 20. So currently the development bus is rolling down the highway without a driver, so I do not expect a 12.01 update anytime soon.

    What I see is a position for a Mac Software Engineer, not Senior.

    « You’ll be working at our office in central Copenhagen where you’ll have 20 ambitious, talented and experienced colleagues on the Application Software Team and many more throughout the organisation »

    https://www.phaseone.com/fr-FR/About/Ca ... ineer.aspx

    Doesn't sound like a driver-less bus to me…
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  • Jeff Talbert
    I hope I am wrong, But I have worked for software developers before.I have seen change in leadership for software developers basically end the product. Heck companies do not need change in leadership to have bad things happen. Sometimes leadership gets lazy and careless and reckless and do things without really thinking about it. I have seen that many times.

    Looking for a senior engineer around the time a major update comes out, could be a bad thing, or it could be a good thing. I am hoping its for the good. But all I am saying is that until they get a new senior engineer I just dont see a lot of development going on to make changes, minor bug fixes, yes, but fixes that will affect other aspects and functionality of a program, not so much. I am not trying to be critical, I am not trying to bash Phase One for needing a new Mac Senior engineer. I hope they find one soon and hope for many new and great features for Creative One. Otherwise I would not be looking to switch from LR.
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  • Jeff Talbert
    [quote="John Doe" wrote:
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:

    I was on Phase One website earlier and happened to click on the careers button and with what I saw they are looking for a new "Senior Mac Engineer" to be ahead of a team of 20. So currently the development bus is rolling down the highway without a driver, so I do not expect a 12.01 update anytime soon.

    What I see is a position for a Mac Software Engineer, not Senior.

    « You’ll be working at our office in central Copenhagen where you’ll have 20 ambitious, talented and experienced colleagues on the Application Software Team and many more throughout the organisation »

    https://www.phaseone.com/fr-FR/About/Ca ... ineer.aspx

    Doesn't sound like a driver-less bus to me…

    From here, there are three listings...
    https://www.phaseone.com/en/About/Careers.aspx

    There it says Senior Mac Engineer.

    If it is a senior engineer as it is advertised on the main page.

    My driverless bus comment is in regards to this, again, if it is in fact for a senior engineer... They will want to look at the program, what works, what doesn't, what needs to be fixed, prioritize thing that need to be fixed and assign people to the jobs of fixes. Then they will look at feedback on new feature requests and again go through the same process. And I just don't see much of that happening without a senior engineer.
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  • Jeff Talbert
    [quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
    Hi JTalbert,

    Sorry, but I don't get such issues. Actually, I had some when I imported my LR catalog 3 or 4 years ago, it took a full night to import and create previews of my 15k+ images, and some were missing.
    But once I did it, I haven't got any similar issue as you describe. I went back from Japan a month ago, with about 800+ files, and they were imported without any problem, at the rate of about one per second, preview and thumbnail creations included.
    I have a MacBook Pro late 2013, with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD, Nvidia GTX950. A rather old one.
    So, my question is : what is your config ?


    I am having problems with thumbnail creation whether i import LR data or not. There are a few others on here that are having the same issue I am. I have tried importing my data a few different ways. But some point things will be figured out but my biggest issue is when I just import photos without being a LR catalog.

    I am using a 2015 MBP Retina 16GB Ram, 512GB drive, ATI Radeon R9 M370X. 10.14.1. I even have an external drive with the OS on it and booted my Mac with the external bootable and still same issue.
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  • Tim Clardy
    I have had issues here too. I am a 5 or 6 year Lightroom user. I started my trial Sunday. I only have about 3000 images in my Lightroom catalog. After importing my Lightroom catalog I found a bunch of mission keywords and ratings. I found an article about converting and ended up turning on auto sync sidecar amp in preferences and choosing the prefer sidecar amp over embedded check. It then had to generate amp files which took some time. This resolved the issue with the missing keywords and ratings.

    Now I am having problems creating smart albums. If I use keywords as a search criteria it does not show any photos unless I go in and edit the smart album and pull down and insert equals instead of contains in the keyword and then use the pulldown and put back in contains and then the photos suddenly show in the smart album.

    I also cannot find out if it is possible to do both an all and and an any query in a smart album so that you can do something like pulling up all images with a 5 star rating and multiple keywords, say several names.

    Posted about this earlier today and so far no comments. I would think Phaseone would monitor these forums since the program is so new. I would probably do a subscription but not sure now. I love the color rendition and the shadow details in this program. I do not love having a hard time getting imports from Lightroom and basic catalog functions running correctly.
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  • John Doe
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:
    [quote="John Doe" wrote:
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:

    I was on Phase One website earlier and happened to click on the careers button and with what I saw they are looking for a new "Senior Mac Engineer" to be ahead of a team of 20. So currently the development bus is rolling down the highway without a driver, so I do not expect a 12.01 update anytime soon.

    What I see is a position for a Mac Software Engineer, not Senior.

    « You’ll be working at our office in central Copenhagen where you’ll have 20 ambitious, talented and experienced colleagues on the Application Software Team and many more throughout the organisation »

    https://www.phaseone.com/fr-FR/About/Ca ... ineer.aspx

    Doesn't sound like a driver-less bus to me…

    From here, there are three listings...
    https://www.phaseone.com/en/About/Careers.aspx

    There it says Senior Mac Engineer.

    If it is a senior engineer as it is advertised on the main page.

    My driverless bus comment is in regards to this, again, if it is in fact for a senior engineer... They will want to look at the program, what works, what doesn't, what needs to be fixed, prioritize thing that need to be fixed and assign people to the jobs of fixes. Then they will look at feedback on new feature requests and again go through the same process. And I just don't see much of that happening without a senior engineer.

    Weird thing is that if you click the offer, it links to https://www.phaseone.com/en/About/Caree ... ineer.aspx

    Which is for a (non-Senior) Mac Software Engineer.

    Could be bad or could be good, as you said. Time will tell.
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  • Jeff Talbert
    [quote="John Doe" wrote:

    Weird thing is that if you click the offer, it links to https://www.phaseone.com/en/About/Caree ... ineer.aspx

    Which is for a (non-Senior) Mac Software Engineer.

    Could be bad or could be good, as you said. Time will tell.


    I had noticed that as well. I think Capture One is a great program, No perfect, some flaws surprise me, but they have a great support forum and responsive to support tickets, so Capture One has a lot going for it.

    I just purchased my license so now I am a registered user.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:
    I think Capture One is a great program, No perfect, some flaws surprise me, but they have a great support forum and responsive to support tickets, so Capture One has a lot going for it.

    I just purchased my license so now I am a registered user.

    Great to have you on board, JTalbertPhoto.

    Apart from the great forum and support department, at R&D you'll find some of the most dedicated people which are working in this field. I have been there and met several of them. Trust me, they care about us.

    And yes, they are expanding. Isn't that great?
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  • Christiaan mak
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:
    I think Capture One is a great program, No perfect, some flaws surprise me, but they have a great support forum and responsive to support tickets, so Capture One has a lot going for it.

    I just purchased my license so now I am a registered user.

    Great to have you on board, JTalbertPhoto.

    Apart from the great forum and support department, at R&D you'll find some of the most dedicated people which are working in this field. I have been there and met several of them. Trust me, they care about us.

    And yes, they are expanding. Isn't that great?


    Yes, it is great that they are expanding, and I have no doubt that the people working there are dedicated to making Capture One a great raw converter with increasing editing capabilities.
    But there are a few strange caveats, like the Pentax K1mkII not getting support 8 months after release, or simple core database bugs not being addressed, like a years old bug that has catalogue image folders showing up empty when moving from MacOs to Windows, before ánd after re-locating (re-linking) the folder.
    I even found a very (three year) old post that you yourself were involved in, where this issue was already mentioned and confirmed, and I got support to confirm it as well. Still, not solved in v12, while this is a serious bug breaking up your workflow when working cross platform. And I wonder how hard it can really be to solve an issue like this?
    So yes, it is nice that things are going well for Capture One, and it is a great program, but they can still learn a thing or two from Adobe about support and bug fixing....

    Chris
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  • Emile Gregoire
    [quote="ChrisM" wrote:

    So yes, it is nice that things are going well for Capture One, and it is a great program, but they can still learn a thing or two from Adobe about support and bug fixing....

    Chris


    Adobe has had bugs open for years as well. They had crippling updates in Lr 6 that cost me many hours. I myself have had quite serious bugs openly acknowledged by the Lightroom team without any further action. I’ve move back and forth between C1 and Lr the past years and finally gave up on Adobe because of a few reasons, chief among them their lackluster bugfixing efforts. C1 support always responds quickly even though I agree some things have been dragging on for too long (mainly catalog performance). Two different people, two different stories...
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  • Christiaan mak
    [quote="Emile" wrote:
    [quote="ChrisM" wrote:

    So yes, it is nice that things are going well for Capture One, and it is a great program, but they can still learn a thing or two from Adobe about support and bug fixing....

    Chris


    Adobe has had bugs open for years as well. They had crippling updates in Lr 6 that cost me many hours. I myself have had quite serious bugs openly acknowledged by the Lightroom team without any further action. I’ve move back and forth between C1 and Lr the past years and finally gave up on Adobe because of a few reasons, chief among them their lackluster bugfixing efforts. C1 support always responds quickly even though I agree some things have been dragging on for too long (mainly catalog performance). Two different people, two different stories...


    Thanks, that puts it in perspective. Hard to understand how bugs can linger for years sometimes, and never get addressed though. It would seem a first priority to me, but apparently it is more important to devote energy to new features.
    Then again, I find it hard to understand how they can simply omit a high end camera like the Pentax K1mkII from support.
    Imagine being a Pentax user and also long time CO1 user (I partly switched to Sony myself), and being more or less banned from the program?
    Are there other RAW converters that do this?
    I know there are people with the K1mkII who use CO1.
    Camera support should not be based on popular demand any longer i.m.h.o. CO1 has gotten so big that they have an obligation to support flagship cameras from all brands. That's how I see it anyhow.

    Chris
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  • Emile Gregoire
    [quote="ChrisM" wrote:

    Thanks, that puts it in perspective. Hard to understand how bugs can linger for years sometimes, and never get addressed though. It would seem a first priority to me, but apparently it is more important to devote energy to new features.
    Then again, I find it hard to understand how they can simply omit a high end camera like the Pentax K1mkII from support.
    Imagine being a Pentax user and also long time CO1 user (I partly switched to Sony myself), and being more or less banned from the program?
    Are there other RAW converters that do this?
    I know there are people with the K1mkII who use CO1.
    Camera support should not be based on popular demand any longer i.m.h.o. CO1 has gotten so big that they have an obligation to support flagship cameras from all brands. That's how I see it anyhow.

    Chris


    I guess it all boils down to developers setting priorities based on the number of bug reports and feature requests. That makes sense but can be quite frustrating all the same when you’re the one with the bug hampering your workflow. I too at times get fed up with C1. I mean, how hard can it be to get the catalog running smoothly, even with 150k images - it’s not like they’re the ones inventing the database concept, right? And agreed, the time it takes to support new cameras or new MacOS versions can be excruciating. Then again, sometimes they’re ahead of the curve: C1 provided support for the Fujifilm X-T3 before Lr did. We’ll have to make do and push where possible: I requested radial masks a few versions back and lo and behold - it’s here! (Even if I grew quite a few grey hairs waiting for it...)
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  • syncrasy
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:

    Apart from the great forum and support department, at R&D you'll find some of the most dedicated people which are working in this field. I have been there and met several of them. Trust me, they care about us.

    And yes, they are expanding. Isn't that great?


    I am sure the R&D employees are very fine people, but sorry, I'm not celebrating. I became a Phase One customer when Phase One purchased Media Pro, the best single-user, stand-alone DAM/catalog software ever made. Phase One then let it languish for over 8 years and killed it without offering a suitable replacement. (No, C1 is not a suitable replacement.) It has always struck me as curious that, for the entire time that Phase One owned Media Pro, I never once saw a Capture One Certified Professional acknowledge the existence of Media Pro or recommend Media Pro to his customers. (To be fair, I suspect that the fact that C1 and MP never did work very well together, and therefore appeared to be competing products rather than complementary products, made it difficult to "sell" MP to an existing C1 user.) But even if PO planned all along to kill Media Pro, why bother to acquire it if not to integrate its best DAM/catalog features into C1? Mismanagement? Poor vision? Cost? Lack of technical skills? Being tied to a “session vs catalog†paradigm? Did PO management not bother to understand what made Media Pro so special to its user base? (We’re not all commercial digital photographers shooting tethered sessions — we’re also b&w film photographers, stock photography managers, videographers, archivists, genealogists, educators, software developers, Web designers, scientists, amateurs/hobbyests, etc., who need to catalog a wide variety of media.)

    So no, Paul, as a Phase One customer (a Media Pro user, not a Capture One user), I don't celebrate PO's expansion because it does not benefit me. I have been abandoned by Phase One.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="syncrasy" wrote:
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:

    Apart from the great forum and support department, at R&D you'll find some of the most dedicated people which are working in this field. I have been there and met several of them. Trust me, they care about us.

    And yes, they are expanding. Isn't that great?


    I am sure the R&D employees are very fine people, but sorry, I'm not celebrating.

    That's okay with me syncrasy, but I suggest we stick to the topic of this thread which I was addressing in my comment. I understand your sentiments regarding Media Pro better then you probably can assess, but I prefer to leave that for the Media Pro subforum. The OP of this thread deserves that.
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  • syncrasy
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    I suggest we stick to the topic of this thread which I was addressing in my comment. […] The OP of this thread deserves that.

    I appreciate your desire to keep a tidy thread and maintain an optimistic outlook, but I’m not sure it’s accurate to imply that your comment is more pertinent to the OP’s thread than mine. You focused on a tiny portion of the thread (a side comment about a job opening) but did not address the larger issue. The OP also said:

    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:
    I am upset about this because of the fact the Phase One had what many say to be an excellent DAM program. Phase One has not done anything to try to make the cataloging in CO anything like Media Pro.

    My post was intended to amplify the OP’s sentiment and point out the (ironic?) connection between PO’s business expansion and the larger issue of customer base dissatisfaction. We (Media Pro, Lightroom, Aperture users) need better evidence that Phase One understands the value of a proper DAM/catalog and has the desire to make C1 reflect that understanding. C1 version 12 is not that evidence. Hiring more staff is not that evidence. In lieu of a mission or product statement from Phase One management explaining how it intends to satisfy the needs of Media Pro (or Lightroom or Aperture) users, the current C1 feature/functionality set is all we have to make any kind of assessment. Speculation, criticism, frustration, and uncertainty are inevitable.

    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    I understand your sentiments regarding Media Pro better then you probably can assess, but I prefer to leave that for the Media Pro subforum. The OP of this thread deserves that.

    [quote="Phase One" wrote:
    Effective August 30th, 2018, Media Pro will no longer be available for purchase. As an alternative you can use Capture One as your image management software.

    I imagine you do understand my sentiments well, and I appreciate you can't talk about it publicly. I also imagine Phase One management feels some embarrassment at not being able to fulfill the original promise of the Media Pro acquisition (although I know PO would not put it in those terms). What's done is done, but if Phase One truly intends for Media Pro users to consider Capture One as our “image management software,†the perspectives (“sentimentsâ€) of Media Pro users should not be excluded from a discussion (or civil critique) of Phase One’s past and future plans for Capture One development in the Capture One forum. (I have posted many suggestions for C1 improvements to the Media Pro subforum (and sent them to Support), but since Media Pro is officially “end of life,†I have no reason to believe that Phase One management will refer to that forum for C1 product suggestions or improvements. The Media Pro subforum has become largely a ghetto for MP refugees to brainstorm about alternative DAMs since C1 does not satisfy their needs.)
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  • Jeff Talbert
    [quote="syncrasy" wrote:

    My post was intended to amplify the OP’s sentiment and point out the (ironic?) connection between PO’s business expansion and the larger issue of customer base dissatisfaction. We (Media Pro, Lightroom, Aperture users) need better evidence that Phase One understands the value of a proper DAM/catalog and has the desire to make C1 reflect that understanding. C1 version 12 is not that evidence. Hiring more staff is not that evidence. In lieu of a mission or product statement from Phase One management explaining how it intends to satisfy the needs of Media Pro (or Lightroom or Aperture) users, the current C1 feature/functionality set is all we have to make any kind of assessment. Speculation, criticism, frustration, and uncertainty are inevitable.


    I hope we see improvements to the catalog and how C1 handles the database.

    Yes companies use feedback to see what bugs are in their program, how prevalent they are, how many complaints they get and then prioritize based on that. And I agree with that method.

    But I will stick with my feeling regarding the implementation of the catalog structure. And for this reason and I think it's valid.

    Lightroom is THE program that professional photographers rely on. I read Capture One started off as a simple program, but over time it changed into the program it is today, that take on Lightroom, and they have done a good job.

    Phase One has a great program. I bought a license and will fully support it and looking forward to my next photo gig that I can process my photos with it. I am like a kid in a candy store, I cant wait!

    But.... Again being the small fish in the ocean. And with the new direction Adobe is going. Moving more towards cloud based apps, many LR customers, myself included prefer the classic program. Once the web version gets close to on par with the classic version with feature set, I do not see Adobe keeping LR classic much longer after that.

    Programs will have bugs, and will have problems. but you would think and hope that a company, who wants to get customers away from Adobe would make the catalog process in Capture One as bullet proof as possible. Make sure the import works as best they can. Yes this is a moving target. Once Phase One figures out an import method, Adobe can make a change to LR to break the import.

    I think Capture One, could be a Lightroom Killer. I WANT to see it be a LightRoom killer. I think Capture One has that much promise. With the proper press and marketing push, they could close the gap big time.

    But It's not a LR killer yet because of the instability of the catalog system in the program. The features are great, some of the new features are amazing. But if you catalog system is not bullet proof, if you can't import photos and import them reliably, with previews AND thumbnails then Capture One is going to, and pardon the pun..... They are going to Capture One percent of the market.

    If your going to have an import process to import Light Room data and it does not work properly, Phase One is doing their company, their employees, and the program Capture One and a disservice. They would better off hold out on releasing it as a V 13 feature or 12.2 or 12.3... Most companies and other things for that get one chance for a good first impression, and yes as Lightroom customer, the first thing I noticed when I installed the trial was the problems with the importing of my Lightroom data. If I did not pull up one of my photos I took at a concert and compare what I did with Capture One to what I did in Lightroom in less than half the time, I probably would have dragged the program in the trash and deleted it. But from word of mouth about how dang great the Raw engine is in Capture One, I gave it a chance.

    I gather from Paul's statement is that in fact the hiring of the new senior SW engineer is an expansion and not a replacement and that would be phenomenal.

    Oh, and just for the record. The information I read about Capture One that got me to download and test it was some lil website called Image Alchemist. Paul, your website is phenomenal. I have gone to it many times and will continue to, in order to learn about the features and how to use them. Yes there are other websites with Capture One info, but your is by far the best. My hat off to you. Without your information, I probably would not be here today, for the good or bad it may be.

    Again I have said this before, I am not saying things I am saying to be critical of Phase One. Any feedback that I can give that may help them be the Lightroom killer they can be... I am all for it!
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  • Robert Farhi
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:

    Lightroom is THE program that professional photographers rely on.


    Sure ?
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  • roberte
    Hey I'm just adding support for Mark's comments regarding DAM in Capture One Pro.

    First, Capture One works great as a an image processor in session mode. I've used Capture One for nearly 15 years since DSLR Pro, well before Lightroom or Aperture were even thought of. And Bibble before that.

    When they released Aperture, Apple changed the landscape of raw image processors popularising both parametric image editing and digital asset management for photographers. Adobe rushed to catch up, eventually overtaking Apple who abandoned the pro market altogether. Phase One saw the writing on the wall acquiring Expression Media with hopes of bolting DAM onto Capture One. It didn't work. Sorry for the history lesson.

    DAM is not simply a catalog and requires a higher level of understanding for proper implementation. Phase One have focussed on medium format cameras and raw processing. That's certainly where their expertise and competitive edge lays. DAM doesn't appear to be a priority for them.

    I use Capture One sessions and manage my image collection using other programs, including Media Pro, for the time being!
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  • Robert Farhi
    I agree with all of these arguments.
    I think Capture One is the best RAW engine and development software, having used Lightroom from its beginning and finally switched to Capture One 4 years ago, with C1 v8.
    But I always claimed that its DAM/catalog facility was far from other dedicated (or not, e.g. Adobe Lightroom) management softwares. After having put an end to Media Pro, Phase One suggested to use the Capture One catalog instead. But, as today, the Capture One catalog is not yet at the level of Media Pro from far.
    It would be fair from Phase One to improve this part of its software to really replace Media Pro.....
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  • Richard Irecky
    [quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:

    Lightroom is THE program that professional photographers rely on.


    Sure ?


    I second that 😉

    For me C1Pro is and was (since v7) the ultimate RAW convertor, but DAM functionality always felt like an afterthought. I stuck to referenced Catalogues by country for RAW files and final pictures are referenced to Aperture - best of both worlds 😊

    I spent some time with v12 and despite the price hike I will be upgrading even though I'm using old Nikons - speed, masking and more customisation for shortcuts won me over v10.

    Curios what will happen with the plugin functionality and OpenCL/Metal computing in the future...
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  • Jeff Talbert
    [quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:

    Lightroom is THE program that professional photographers rely on.


    Sure ?


    I am not saying it’s not the best. It has the lionshare of the market and I know many photographers who use it. There sure are progressional who use Capture One and other programs.
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  • Mark Astle
    No professionals who deal with lots of files at once, (and don't want to do loads of retouching on each one) use Lightroom. It's dreadful for batch processing. All the pros I know (including me) use C1.
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  • Robert Farhi
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:
    [quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
    [quote="JTalbertPhoto" wrote:

    Lightroom is THE program that professional photographers rely on.


    Sure ?


    I am not saying it’s not the best. It has the lionshare of the market and I know many photographers who use it. There sure are progressional who use Capture One and other programs.


    Lightroom has changed little by little in order to get more and more enthousiastic photographers, with "improvements" like face recognition, AI, mobile and tablets developments. Accordingly (and even before) Lightroom has got the largest part of the market. But it doesn't seem correct to me to say that most of the pros use it. If you consider the ratio of pros in both softwares, I am sure that it is far more important for Capture One than for Lightroom. But it's clear that the power of Adobe, from the marketing point of view, is far larger than the one of Phase One.
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  • Jeff Talbert
    [quote="Mark492" wrote:
    No professionals who deal with lots of files at once, (and don't want to do loads of retouching on each one) use Lightroom. It's dreadful for batch processing. All the pros I know (including me) use C1.


    I may be wrong. LR has the market share so it was an assumption. I have not paid for or done and study or survey. Just an observation from market share and that Capture One could and hopefully can get more of the market.

    Batch processing is one of the big things I love about C1. That and it's so easy to copy adjustments from one photo and apply them to another. It's easier to copy one setting and apply it to another. Intuitive Lightroom is not. Don't like module base of it, having to switch from library to develop to make changes. Yes the controls are different in C1, but I find it easier to find the tools I want to use to edit in C1 than in LR. You click and you there, you have to scroll to get to some tools on LR and its easy to scroll past what your looking for.
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