Print margins and layout options.
Perhaps I'm a bit dumb but I cant seem to get my head around margins and layout options. What is the grey area that surrounds an image? And what is the white area that also surrounds an image? I guess one of them represents the paper but just when I think that it's the grey area that represents the paper, I adjust the margins and a white surround appears. And sometimes the image has both a grey surround and a white surround. And, when the layout option refers to 'cell size' is this another name for 'image(s) size'? Thank you.
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[quote="NNN636816268128742701" wrote:
...What is the grey area that surrounds an image? And what is the white area that also surrounds an image? I guess one of them represents the paper but just when I think that it's the grey area that represents the paper, I adjust the margins and a white surround appears. And sometimes the image has both a grey surround and a white surround. And, when the layout option refers to 'cell size' is this another name for 'image(s) size'?
I use other applications for printing and I'm a bit surprised that forum members who actually do print from C1 have not chimed in.
Have you taken into account that the setup is meant to work for multiple images per page?
Create one disposable variant from each of 4 images and crop them to 4 different aspect ratios that you can readily recognize as different when you see them side by side. Try 1:1, 2:1, 3:4 and 16:9. Select two of the variants and open the print dialog. Play with row and column count (1 row 1 column, 2 rows 1 column and 2 rows 2 columns). Use a 2 rows by 2 columns page layout and move sliders to see what happens. Next select three images and try the sliders again, and finally once more with 4 images. Add some page margins to the mix. Grey, right? The row by column count divides the printable area between page margins in cells. Each cell can hold one image. Play with row/column spacing and observe how C1 adds white space between rows/columns. Play with cell border and observe how C1 adds white space as an inside cell margin (image shrinks). I am sure you will see how it works.
I should probably add that image aspect ratios should not change, but aspect ratio of rectangular cells and cell borders do change. When the aspect ratio of two rectangles do not match, C1 adds white space to compensate. Consider a 6x4 rectangular cell. A cell border of 0.5 reduces the available image area inside the cell to 5x3. Thus, the cell and cell border rectangles have different aspect ratios (6:4=1.5, 5:3=1.67). Keep aspect ratios in mind and move sliders slowly in small steps while you observe the effect.
If you overdo a slider movement, C1 will change some other slider and/or re-scale the images to make your layout fit the page.0 -
Thank you very much for you detailed reply.
No I didn't realise that it's all geared to printing multiple images on one page.
I've played around with both the layout sliders and the margin sliders and seen the images jump about all over the place (and jump about even more when I change the 'zoom to fit' option on yet another different tab). More by luck than actually knowing what I'm doing I've eventually managed to centralise my image. I just find it all a bit bizarre that changing the slider values on one tab affects the values on another not visible tab. Maybe if all these settings were all visible in one place at the same time things might not be quite as confusing.
I think that things might be simpler if I take up your idea of doing my printing from a different application.0 -
Some of the things that are or are not possible may be controlled by your printer driver.
However to see what C1 can offer (subject to what you printer driver settings may be) you could have a look at the Templates provided (for various media sizes) which will, hopefully, suggest something close to what you are seeking and allow you to see what is happening as you change settings.
Of course you can also create your own custom settings.
You should also look at the Image Settings tool in particular the tick boxes for Zoom to Fill and Rotate to Fill both of which need to be appreciate for the effects they have when active. They are very useful once one sees what they offer and one decides whether they are needed for the current printing purpose.
The Grey areas are the margins set for the current Template. I.E the areas that are not to me considered as "available" for printing. In some cases printer drivers may apply their own constraints for margins for certain media types and sizes.
The White areas are available for printing and would normally only show the image to be printed doe not have the size ratio are the area left after the margins are defined - or does not match the dimensions of the media on which one is printing in the case of possible edge to edge printing.
That's with one "cell" per page.
When you define a template that prints more than on image on a page each "cell" will end up with its own margins and printable area.
If you wish to print some sort of Montage of images it may be feasible to do that if they are all the same print output size but if size or layout are to be random or variable then I'm doubtful that C1 would be a tool of choice and you may wish to make your output "prints" to a file and then use those outputs with an application that offers dedicated facilities for montage printing.
HTH.
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Thanks, I'll carry on having a play around with the various settings. I guess that it'll probably turn out to be one of those cases that once I do understand it, everything will seem so easy I'll wonder how I could have been confused at all. 0 -
[quote="NNN636816268128742701" wrote:
Thanks, I'll carry on having a play around with the various settings. I guess that it'll probably turn out to be one of those cases that once I do understand it, everything will seem so easy I'll wonder how I could have been confused at all.
Mostly likely the case.
There are a number of things that may be allowed to work in combination that could do strange things. Best thing, in my opinion, is to stop and take stock and consider what aspect of the settings might be constrained to be doing something unexpected at that point.
However the printer drivers can also introduce their own special peculiarities to the results obtained. (In my experiences.)
That said taking such an approach has never worked for me with Photoshop and its imitators. All but the most basic needs never seem to do what I expect and I can never work out why. By comparison I can usually work out what is happening in C1 even if some results initially seem strange from time to time when working with a tool that I may not be too familiar with.
Just remember that in many cases you my have the "Application trying to be helpful" settings active when at that point in your learning curve they may introduce more confusion than assistance. The Image Settings tool settings are one example of such easily overlooked sources of confusion.
Anyway, good luck. I'm sure you will work it out.
Grant0
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