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How to profile a camera with C1?

ninolo
Hi,

Could you tell me, or direct me to documentation on the ideal settings (and/or the settings you use) to process and output a target Raw file in C1 for ICC profiling a camera.
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  • ninolo
    nobody?

    nobody's profiling?
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  • Permanently deleted user
    welll...sometimes. I follow the instructions from the profiling software (ColorEyes) which involves processing in cone with the camera profile embedded, then taking it into Phototoshop to build the profile. I have not found this a necessary step with the most recent model Canon generic profiles....so it's been a while.
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  • ninolo
    thank you John!

    I understand you are satisfied with the generic profile(s)? One is better of with the high-end cameras, where C1 offers different profiles. For such an exotic camera as the Canon 5D MrkII there is only one ICC profile.

    I like the generic profiles for general (generic) use. For specific tasks they really are not up to the task, and I suppose they are not meant to, because they are a heavy compromise for all colors and illuminants and must be able to get tweaked in all kinds and manners.

    I have to do some oil painting and other composite art works. Color accuracy matters. I found this intro to the problem quite helpful http://www.betterlight.com/downloads/co ... cy-ppt.pdf

    For the moment, I still stay with C1 against all odds, but we'll see in the future when the DNG Profile editor is out of beta. As is, and WITHOUT creating custom ICC profiles, there is no doubt that the DNG results are Superior in regard to accuracy. The C1 color editor is nice but the inherent problem is that while you tweak here you untweak there. That's why one needs icc profiles with Capture One. (BTW my c1 6.0.1 Pro's color editor does not work properly. The same problem existed in a previous version. Was fixed and reappeared).

    So the solution would be an ICC profiling package. The x-rite's go for about USD 2.000. There is also cheaper ones. I tried a few, but with very (very) poor results. And, from what I understand, there are a few DNG revolutions around the corner - also geared to the professionals by x-rite, so I do not want to invest 2K now. It'll be interesting to see what'll happen with c1 than (also in a next version of Lightroom, I am sure they'll let us select output profiles, file and bit size as simply as it is in Camera Raw. This combined with tethered shooting is the last thing that keeps me with C1 despite the never ending bugs and issues I experience). I don't now, what P1 is planning to do regarding profiles? Generally, my foot is already more in DNG, away from C1.

    regards
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Well, I just responded to report that I own and sometime use profiling software. I found it far more useful with the firs1D canon and COne v 1 than it is now....BUT my limited understanding is:

    that Adobe is adamant about NOT using ICC camera profiles in either Camera Raw or Lightroom. That will likely not change anytime as it's a fundamental stance they have taken, despite the fact that profiles are incorporated throughout the reast of the program. Probably relates to the difficulty of obtaining an ICC profile that everyone would find acceptable, don't know. I do know that LR profiles are simply named adjustment sets, not a true ICC profile.

    THat DNG is an Adobe file format, not a profilable application.

    that there might be some discussion about illuminants as part of a profile, but my software profile developers maintain that one profiles the sensor/algorthyms for color sensitivity, then WB for illuminants. Makes sense to me, works for me...and otherwise...if spectral response of a sensor/algorthym varies by illuminant, then it would also be affected by light level and lenses...so you would be in a position of building a profile for each lens at each aperture for each illuminant...I doubt that that's necessary....

    shooting a target so that it's meticulously evenly illuminated AND free from flare for best profiling is probably problematical for the typical copy setup.....

    You might enjoy perusing the technical forum at www.integrated-color.com , developers of a very good monitor profiling app, as well as camera profiling software....
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  • ninolo
    John,

    >[...]...so you would be in a position of building a profile for each lens at each aperture for each illuminant...I doubt that that's necessary....
    I think that's essentially one of the arguments in favor of DNG "profiles". X-rite's ProfileMaker and MonacoProfiler are already called "Legacy" software by the consultants! It seems, if you read x-rite, the new pro software packages will NOT make use of ICC for these matters. How will you build a proper ICC profile for your camera? with "legacy software"?
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  • ninolo
    John, I think you found the only viably solution, which is Color Eyes camera profiling. Do you use the 20/20 or the regular "commercial" one?

    regards
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Sorry, just got back to this forum....I use the orginal version, although I have ordered a new target once or twice...so I guess the equivalent would be the 20/20 version with the custom target. Licensed for 5 cameras at the time, not sure what the Current TOS is...I'd contact ICC directly, Jack and Derrick are honest and can suggest the version that will fit your needs best...
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