Questions. Magnification window and auto fill mask issues
Hi,
My first question is, I'm doing a lot of masking on a gigapixel size image, photo by photo. When I draw a mask outline around several sections in an image and then hit auto fill for the mask, some of the locations auto fill with reduced opacity, or a lighter pink color in other words. So in the same image, some of the masked areas are fully pink and others are lighter pink where you can still see the drawn edges. Why might this happen?
My second question is, when I am masking and panning, there is a magnify or zoom type of window that pops up every time I go to pan the image, right next to the hand cursor. I don't need that tool and it gets in the way constantly, or I accidentally hit it and it zooms me away from where I was working. Is there any way to shut that window/tool off?
Thanks for any help on these issues.
Deven
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Hi Deven,
first, I remember having seen this if the Flow of the brush is not 100%. If Flow and Opacity are both 100, does this occur too?
Second, I don't think there is an option to avoid it, so I got used to it. I move the cursor a little to the side and then hit the space bar, the window pops up and I move the cursor again back to where I want it to before engaging the panning. It's in my muscle memory now, sort of.
regards
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Thank you for the reply! Yes, the flow and opacity are both at 100%. My best theory is maybe sometimes where I go to add on to the next segment of the mask outline, perhaps I did not connect them well enough to make a solid outline, but enough to make it auto fill and it senses that faded edge.
Trouble is, if that is true, then it's about impossible to figure out where the not quite right part of the outline is, and then I just end up drawing the whole mask. I intend to test this theory.
Bummer about the zoom window. I've got the muscle memory going on as well, but every now and then I still hit the darn thing and out I go. Gets frustrating playing dodge with that window. Seems like an easy thing to have an off button.
Other than those, I love Capture One. Best raw photo treatment out there hands down imo.
Thanks again!
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Deven,
For your second question - which tool do you have active when attempting to pan and the Navigator (or Loupe?) tool appears?
How are you accessing the navigation action? Kbd Short cut?
Grant
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Hi Grant,
if you are brushing (or have any other cursor tool) you can temporarily get the hand tool for panning by pressing and holding the space bar. Once you release the space bar the previous tool is back. Quite handy. But besides the hand tool it shows a small navigator window which sometimes can be useful, sometimes not.
regards
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What BeO said above.
In my case, when you are trying to draw multiple layer masks on each of hundreds of photos, then for me, the navigator popup window definitely leans toward not useful and at times maddening. As you hit space bar to pan while drawing your mask, you have to dodge this small window repeatedly. I simply would like to be able to turn the function off.
By the way, on the mask auto fill problem, I've been more careful about making sure my entire outline is filled and connected tightly with solid pinkish red. So far, I've not had another incident of the auto fill giving me a partial fill. My theory may be right?
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"By the way, on the mask auto fill problem, I've been more careful about making sure my entire outline is filled and connected tightly with solid pinkish red. So far, I've not had another incident of the auto fill giving me a partial fill. My theory may be right?"
I think so, I've experienced the same behaviour very often and initially could not find an answer for that. Later I got the desired result when I brushed the edges more precisely
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So you have a brush as the active tool but you temporarily want to replace that to allow scrolling around the screen. Which is exactly what the space bar should allow via the pop up window and an instantly active area inside it representing your current view overlaying the whole image. Move the little view box around, release the space bar and do the next activity.
On my system (Win 7) this does not work quote as intended.
The "Hand" tool appear but outside the window rather than inside it and over the view area as intended. It sounds like you are seeing the same thing.
I think that was due to a Windows update for V7 some time back as I had the same problem in C1 V11/V12 days and resolved it by undoing one of the windows "fixes". But I can't recall which that was and you are probably on Win 10 anyway so it may not be pertinent. Indeed it may not even be a problem for you.
However if the superimposed scroll/move the view of the image is not what you want as the temporary alternative tool offering, how do you think it should work?
The idea of the window view seems to be to allow quite significant shifts of position without the need for extreme physical movements of hands or whatever.
I think it works well when working as intended but is a bit of a pain when it works as mine does and requires some additional input to get the viewing area box in the virtual image box to act like the "hand" tool. A couple of extra steps are required.
Grant
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I'm not sure I followed everything you said. But, in my case, I'm zoomed in at 400% on my image to make a precise mask around numerous pine trees, or snow, etc. Being zoomed in, I need to pan the image constantly by small amounts using the space bar pan/hand tool.
Each time I pan to keep adding to the mask, a navigation window pops up right next to the pan/hand tool. I have to dodge the window, or at times I hit it with the cursor, and zoom, out I go, which looses me my exact place. Having to do this masking on hundreds of images, dodging this navigation window hundreds of times get's tiresome.
Again though, I love Capture One overall!
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Lostsole,
Are you absolutely sure you need to have such a precise mask? There are several ways to create masks that do not rely on absolute precision and can save a lot of time.
Your call of course.
If you see what I see, when you use the space bar you will see a small window that represents the entire image area and within that another small rectangle that represents the currently visible area on you screen.
The "Hand" tool that allows scrolling around the screen, should be positioned over the smaller internal rectangle and should allow you to move that around to choose different a different on screen area.
On my system, currently, the Hand took remains outside the larger window for some reason. To get it to work as intended I need to keep the Space key depressed and also press the Alt key and then move the hand tool onto the smaller internal rectangle after which the navigation process works as intended for as long as I am pressing the Space bar. I can release the Alt key once the Hand took is where it should be over the smaller rectangle.
This is a minor annoyance from my perspective but may be a much bigger frustration for you.
In that case have you considered using the Navigator tool?
You can create a floating tool instance of the Navigator tool, position it where it is most convenient for the task you are performing, moving it around as you work and then have access to the same"box within a box" functionality directly without relying in the Space bar.
Grant
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Yes, unfortunately, high zoom and detail masking are needed. There's much to my project that would take a novel to explain. But simply put, in the instance of the image I'm working on, the hundreds of patches of snow in the image have red, yellow, brown bacteria growth/dirt. This has to be traced out around rocks, etc., in fine detail to remove the unwanted coloration.
The distant forested hills are thick with summer haze and smoke. To diminish this haze, each hill level of depth has to be finely masked off and then darkened with the levels tool considerably. Not making fine detail masks leaves a dark line in the trees.
So, my movements to make the mask are numerous, small and incremental, and thus the navigator window is not of use to me in this scenario.
Hope that makes sense? And, I appreciate your feedback on this. I will look into the floating tool instance. Maybe that will fix my problem? Thank you!
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Are you planning to view and print this image (or images) to an extremely large size?
If not that sounds like a lot of work that you know about for your own purposes but that may not be visible or could be reduced to an almost "invisible" level using a less labour intensive approach that does not require extremely accurate masking. Other observers may not notice the remaining discrepancies.
You may have tried such approaches already and if so please ignore these comments.
But if you have not already considered creating masks based on colours and/or Luma ranges for selecting the pixels to be amended then I would heartily recommend taking a look at those options.
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Auto-fill question.
I think C1 will "fill" on the basis of the lowest level of opacity it finds in the contiguous outline.
So if you you have opacity and brush hardness set to 100% you always get full fill.
If you have the hardness set to less than 100% the opacity will have some fall off even if set to 100%, If the complete perimeter of the mask outline has a section that only joins at the reduced hardness level rather than the centre of the brush then the reduced level of application intensity is used for the fill.
The quick fix for that should be as simple as filling the gap with full hardness mask and re-applying the "fill".
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Thanks SFA for your replies.
I did try to do luma type masks in PS initially, but there are thousands of rocks all the same color and levels of the snow, so the work to fix all the rocks that got picked with a luma adjustment made it not worth it. Tracing out the snow takes a lot of time, but it looks great if I am patient.
On the auto fill question, yes, I did discover that is the case.
The image I'm working on is a gigapixel image for a specialized project where the zoom in and detail are very important, so I have to pay attention to the distant details being exact. A lot of work!
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Might it be possible to select on the snow and then invert the mask?
Have you seen any of the Paul Reiffer Landscape editing webinars?
These sort of questions come up a lot during his edits of other people's images and his observations are interesting.
Admittedly I have not seen him cover a gigapixel image but I do not doubt he has done so for his own purposes.
On the live stream one can ask questions - it might be worth joining in to see if he can offer you some time saving hints for your own needs.
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