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Clarity(Structure) looks very different on export vs.editor

deirh
I am experiencing vastly different visual results when I export an image with lots of applied negative structure compared to what I see in the editor. Specifically that the export result is a lot blurrier compared to what I see in the editor. More interestingly, whenever I have lots of negative structure applied in the editor, any change to the photo via sliders or layers triggers a second of it looking just like after export (=much blurrier on the destructured parts) and then it sharpens back to something that will never transfer through export.

It seems to me there is now some additional, purely visual sharpen step that just doesn't get exported. Not sure if this is a new bug but never noticed it before. Very misleading and leading to ruined exports.

Will try to add image for clarity.
In Editor: https://ibb.co/f8dP6Wg
Exported: https://ibb.co/34L0jfZ
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  • SFA
    Are you using Export or Process?

    Either way, how are the output parameters defined?

    When editing, are you using Recipe Proofing?

    Are the adjustments on layers or part of the 'Background" values?


    Grant
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    For comparison, try Recipe Proofing from the View menu or the spectacles icon on the toolbar (if you have it on the toolbar).
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  • deirh
    SFA wrote:
    Are you using Export or Process?

    Either way, how are the output parameters defined?

    When editing, are you using Recipe Proofing?

    Are the adjustments on layers or part of the 'Background" values?


    Grant

    I am using Process. Very little output sharpening, tried even without to be sure it's not the case.

    No Recipe Proofing for me.

    It is always on adjustment layer - I'm using Structure to smoothen the face on a B&W image.
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  • deirh
    I did now try to turn on Recipe Proofing and it doesn't change anything.

    I can still see the blur from Structure slider as I'm holding it with my mouse and dragging however, once I let go, the image in the viewer resharpens to something that will not get exported. This happens also when this is the top layer.

    However, I did discover some new interesting behavior. The Structure works correctly in the Viewer when applied to either Background layer or if there is just one layer. But if I add more layers it can lead to desynchronizing the Viewer with Process output and it is manifested by there being an additional, visible resharpen step happening after every edit operation. Still didn't isolate the exact conditions of this appearing, will continue trying to reproduce it.
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  • deirh
    I pinpointed the issue. I do have a layer copied from another image (of a different aspect) that also changes Structure, however its mask is outside visible image and doesn't overlay what I'm looking at. If this layer is at least 1% visible it does multiply the Structure adjustment in the export but not in the viewer.

    Please note that it has this effect no matter if it's 1% or 100% visible so this confirms it is a bug - but not in the viewer, rather in the processed output. This layer has a -100 Structure set but doesn't have any visible mask so it should not influence anything. It correctly doesn't influence anything regardless of its opacity if there aren't any other layers with negative structure on top of it. But if I stack another layer on top of it, also with -X structure, they start to interact together and multiply even though the lower layer has no visible mask. The only way for them not to multiply is setting the lower one to 0% opacity - but since 1% opacity it takes full effect (very, very strong one). After that there is no difference between 1% and 100% opacity.
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  • deirh
    Further confirmed that this is all because of that one layer that behaves errorneously. New, manually created layers do seem to stack Structure adjustments correctly. For some reason, one layer misbehaves and ignores its mask and opacity entirely.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    deirh wrote:
    Further confirmed that this is all because of that one layer that behaves errorneously. New, manually created layers do seem to stack Structure adjustments correctly. For some reason, one layer misbehaves and ignores its mask and opacity entirely.

    Good detective work!
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  • BeO
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    deirh wrote:
    Further confirmed that this is all because of that one layer that behaves errorneously. New, manually created layers do seem to stack Structure adjustments correctly. For some reason, one layer misbehaves and ignores its mask and opacity entirely.


    Not sure if this is the same underlying reason, but I had a similar observation with an adjustment layer using a mask and color editor. The viewer correctly showed the final image including this layer's adjustments, but the processed jpg file completely ignored this (and only this) layer. The solution was to close and restart C1. I cannot reproduce it.

    This sounds as a small issue but indeed it is huge because if you cannot rely on C1 respecting layers ALL the time you would need to check ALL adjustment be made for EVERY processed file every time you process it.
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