Initial S,C+S Camera Settings
To get the most DR and processing advantage, would it be useful to set Saturation, Contrast and Sharpness to 0 in my Sony a7r3 (or any mirrorless/DSLR) body settings? I have done so successfully in LR and would like the experience of experienced shooters here.
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Are you shooting RAW files or jpgs?
If jpgs the in camera settings likely matter to you.
If RAW then getting the exposure somewhere reasonably correct is useful but the other settings from the camera do not matter.
HTH.
Grant0 -
Oops - meant to mention that. RAW exclusively - I only go to JPG at the output stage.
PS: My workflow is a cakewalk in LR and I'm looking to develop a similar one in C1 to replace it - starting with camera setup first. Anyone who has a consistent workflow from camera > post processing for RAW>JPG processing?0 -
I would assume that settings for saturation, contrast and sharpness that you make in camera would have no effect on the raw file. I'd expect the raw file just to give you what the sensor "saw" without any of that stuff affected.
Ian0 -
Just read online (it must be true!) that these settings are ignored in some post software, hence my interest in knowing what C1 will/will not do.
Videographers accomplish much the same thing with their low contrast, and somewhat overexposed footage that is needed to color grade, etc. It's a delicate dance that I want to learn the better steps for with in C1.
Did find FasrRAW - RAW viewer that circumvents the JPG view for culling out images based on actual exposure, a big plus over LR. If C1 had this capability it would be HUGE.0 -
Bstrom650 wrote:
Just read online (it must be true!) that these settings are ignored in some post software, hence my interest in knowing what C1 will/will not do.
Videographers accomplish much the same thing with their low contrast, and somewhat overexposed footage that is needed to color grade, etc. It's a delicate dance that I want to learn the better steps for with in C1.
Did find FasrRAW - RAW viewer that circumvents the JPG view for culling out images based on actual exposure, a big plus over LR. If C1 had this capability it would be HUGE.
A RAW converter works with the RAW data form the sensor.
What the camera is doing internally in most cases (except for things like the Phase digital backs with elements of Capture One build into them) is pretty much irrelevant - except for the exposure if it is a LONG way off what you vision for the image requires.
As for culling - it's probably surprising what recent developments in sensor technolocgy and RAW converter capabilities can do.
I have now idea what you are doing with FasrRAW (Is that FastRAW with a small typo or some derivative?) but you might find that you can indeed do what you want to do with C1 if you need to once you have assessed the potential of even the most unlikely looking images.
HTH.
Grant0 -
SFA wrote:
Bstrom650 wrote:
Just read online (it must be true!) that these settings are ignored in some post software, hence my interest in knowing what C1 will/will not do.
Videographers accomplish much the same thing with their low contrast, and somewhat overexposed footage that is needed to color grade, etc. It's a delicate dance that I want to learn the better steps for with in C1.
Did find FasrRAW - RAW viewer that circumvents the JPG view for culling out images based on actual exposure, a big plus over LR. If C1 had this capability it would be HUGE.
A RAW converter works with the RAW data form the sensor.
What the camera is doing internally in most cases (except for things like the Phase digital backs with elements of Capture One build into them) is pretty much irrelevant - except for the exposure if it is a LONG way off what you vision for the image requires.
As for culling - it's probably surprising what recent developments in sensor technolocgy and RAW converter capabilities can do.
I have now idea what you are doing with FasrRAW (Is that FastRAW with a small typo or some derivative?) but you might find that you can indeed do what you want to do with C1 if you need to once you have assessed the potential of even the most unlikely looking images.
HTH.
Grant
Thanks Grant - I’m at Ground Zero with C1 so so some experience on how files process is in order before I ask anymore questions that will answer themselves.0 -
Hi, may be too much theory. If your camera can make JPG+RAW try to work with a test C1 with both. It is nearly self explaining to play with some rulers. Otherwise RAW is a better archiv and you should have a little experience with it. lars 0 -
Bstrom650 wrote:
Thanks Grant - I’m at Ground Zero with C1 so so some experience on how files process is in order before I ask anymore questions that will answer themselves.
The basic concepts of converting RAW files are, unsurprisingly, pretty much the same for all RAW converters subject to the data formats produced by the sensors and how the manufacturers have dealt with them.
Over the years there have been different technologies for the sensor pixel configurations with most in an realistically recent time scale being "Bayer" pattern but a few being entirely different patterns.
Once past that though the detail differences come down to how much latitude the software might have for dealing with the darkest and lightest end of an exposure and the "recovery" of detail from those areas.
And then how colours are dealt with.
Also how "noise" is dealt with although that is another area of camera technology advancement that will have changed perceptions over the years along with the expectations of today's photographers.
The extremely high resolution sensors that have appeared in recent times have also introduced new expectations and challenges. As an aside I find it somewhat counter intuitive that we now have, in pixel count terms, very high resolution cameras (in phones as well dedicated cameras) that can, with the right lenses and photographic techniques, produce amazingly detailed images (perhaps too detailed for a lot of portraiture needs) and then crush them into jpgs with relatively low pixels counts for use on social media.
The suggestion to shoot RAW and JPG side by side (taking into account any image adjustment settings you create in camera) is a good one especially if the camera system you use is one that provides a lot of processing data from body and, especially, lens for image correction as part of its expected and designed-in operation.
To take one example - HDR (High Dynamic Range)
Not so long ago the ability of sensors to record a wide dynamic range was somewhat constrained and the resulting files had little latitude to play with in the development so the concept of exposure bracketing and merging multiple differently exposed images became a 'normal' expectation and required special techniques shooting and extra work processing to get results. Handled from a single image ex camera and being pushed hard often produced some garish results (partly to obscure the limitations of the times) which people either loved or hated. Taking a single image, processing it different ways to deal with recovering over and under exposed areas and then blending the result was also popular.
Since then things have improved all round and many more images that might have been marginal for successful single source file processing can now be adjusted in a RAW converter to extend the usable range - in effect to find data outside the range and compress the range into what can be used while making the results acceptable to the (human) eye.
That may allow people to reconsider how they approach selecting of deselecting the images they wish to work with. So form that point of view I would suggest it is probably better to become familiar with the possibilities of the converter adjustments for the visibly more challenging images before settling on a workflow that cannot take such processing consideration into account.
For example my cameras are not of the latest and greatest technology era but I reckon that C1 can usually give me a good 2 stops usable recovery at both ends of the exposure. Sometimes 3 stops or close to it. Whether one can judge the potential entirely through an external application is probably something you need to assess from your personal perspective after comparing different approaches.
HTH.
Grant0 -
Duly noted, Grant.
So, if I’ve got this right, shooting with JPG-optimized in-camera settings while recording a RAW at the same time will theoretically give two useable files, within limits?
I’m playing with Zebra settings to get the maximum exposure prior to highlight blowout - will this compromise the JPG file?
Does anyone have a camera setup that accomplishes these objectives? (I’m shooting with a Sony a7r3)0
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