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Custom ICC profiles not copying to new shots

Benjamin Norton
Anyone else had issues with this in any version? I have created a custom ICC camera profile with the ICC tool from XRite and whilst it looks great and can be applied in post, it will NOT carry from one shot to another when shooting tethered and subsequently resets to the "Generic" profile.
Anyone know what I might be missing here? I've tried all the different Next Capture Settings... Copy and paste from the clipboard... I'm out of ideas.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Is the profile recognized by Capture One as a profile for your camera? I mean, in the Base Characteristics tool, where does Capture One displays the profile? Is it next to the Generic profile or in Other?
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  • Benjamin Norton
    So the profile only shows under OTHER which is where they've always populated for me. This particular version that's giving me issues is Cap 10.0.2 64bit. I do have Cap 20 but not where I'm shooting today.

    So to get you up to speed. Created the profile with the XRite ICC tool v 2.01. Looks great. Restart Cap One.
    Come down to Base Characteristics and select my CUSTOMICC profile and leave the curve to Auto. Take the shot and it will revert to Generic Canon 5DMKIII. Go back to Next Capture Adjustments and Set ICC to either Copy from Last or even select the CUSTOMICC directly and the next shot will import with nothing shown in the ICC field under Base Characteristics and the color is neither generic or CUSTOMICC.

    I've tried it with multiple computers and cameras. All the same result. Doesn't happen in 8.3.5 either.
    One other interesting point is when i went into 8.3.5 and then back into 10.0.2, all the images that i had put the custom profile onto manually, had lost it and reverted to the "blank no name" profile.
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  • Benjamin Norton
    Think i might have cracked it. Copied the profile into the DSL folder inside C:\Program Files\Phase One\Capture One 10\Color Profiles\DSLR and it seems to be holding from shot to shot now using either copy from primary or copy from last.
    i also deleted it from C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color in case there was any further issue from the old location. I'll check it out over the day and see how it holds up.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Well, I think the original location for the profile was better as it is retained when you update Capture One.

    When a custom profile is sorted as Other profile, it is not recognized as a profile for a specific camera. Capture One uses a naming scheme for each camera. Rename the profile according to that naming scheme and you are probably set.

    To know how to do that, look in the ..\DSLR folder, you already mentioned or save the default profile with the Color Editor. This also reveals the proper naming.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Something you should be aware of:

    The ICC profiles generated via the x-rite software are not meant to be used in a professional environment.
    The resulting images have no true black (no RGB value of 0 0 0) because their profiles have no L*a*b(0,0,0) coordinates. This was an oversight of the developers and has not been tested properly before they released it.

    X-rite support has been aware of this for more than half a year now and they have said they are working on an update that might improve the result a bit (still no true black, but at least it should be closer). However that too was many months ago and I've now pretty much given up. They are unable to get it right and that's very sad indeed.

    So if you're just doing it for fun - keep doing it.

    If you want to have professional results or if you want to do some repro-work: forget it. It's not possible with the xrite software and Capture One.
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  • cdc
    Have you tried clicking the Base Characteristic ... drop down menu and selecting 'Save as default for camera'?
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  • BeO
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    C-M-B wrote:
    Something you should be aware of:

    The ICC profiles generated via the x-rite software are not meant to be used in a professional environment.
    The resulting images have no true black (no RGB value of 0 0 0) because their profiles have no L*a*b(0,0,0) coordinates. This was an oversight of the developers and has not been tested properly before they released it.

    X-rite support has been aware of this for more than half a year now and they have said they are working on an update that might improve the result a bit (still no true black, but at least it should be closer). However that too was many months ago and I've now pretty much given up. They are unable to get it right and that's very sad indeed.

    So if you're just doing it for fun - keep doing it.

    If you want to have professional results or if you want to do some repro-work: forget it. It's not possible with the xrite software and Capture One.


    What is the conesequence, visually, of this shortcoming? Is there an alternative for the xrite camera profiling?
    Regards
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  • SFA
    Paul_Steunebrink wrote:
    Well, I think the original location for the profile was better as it is retained when you update Capture One.

    When a custom profile is sorted as Other profile, it is not recognized as a profile for a specific camera. Capture One uses a naming scheme for each camera. Rename the profile according to that naming scheme and you are probably set.

    To know how to do that, look in the ..\DSLR folder, you already mentioned or save the default profile with the Color Editor. This also reveals the proper naming.


    Good point Paul but it would seem that the OP Pis a Digital Tech working on a variety of equipment and whatever version of C1 may be installed - V10 in this case or evenV8.

    The potential for changes in the application coming into play over such a time span could be significant. For this particular question it may not be a problem but then from the OP's POV there may be little interest in what happens if the device in use today ever gets upgraded!

    One would have hoped that the user Appdata folder could be used - in V20 "Color Profiles" or a suitable entry in a subfolder under "Defaults" might be the logical locations but then one might expect Tethering to have its own, probably temporary, variables available for the shoot. Perhaps not in this case - and maybe using V20 to identify a resolution for V10 might not be good guidance? (Depending on the camera perhaps?)


    Grant
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