Media Pro revival
Implemented
Hi,
This is not a real feature request, but I cannot find another way to have my saying. Well, MP is dead. Really? I think there is a way to make it alive. And better. It only takes good will! C1 will benefit from it, I am sure. MAKE MP an open source program. I am sure the OS community will rise to the opportunity. After months of trials, MP is still the best concept! C1, please be nice and show the world that money is not all that counts. I would buy the product and make OS, but I have no money for this.
Thank you,
Florin.
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Hi Christina, thanks for the info. I will try the demo. Hope it can handle millions of photos without huge preview proxies and to see a rainbow ball on my mac.
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After much testing of other solutions including Canto, etc., we've decided to go with CATDV (Quantum/North Shore Automation partnership) as our stills, and other assets eventually, management solution. It is server-based with catalogs all living in a central hub; it can also create desktop catalogs, which is a workflow similar to the old Media Pro catalog system. There is the added benefit of being able to have a web-based aspect for truly offsite employees, those not able to remote into the central production environment (this is going to be interesting re client permissions, liabilities, security, possible watermarking, etc.). And, their team has been responsive for the most part (few dropped things but that's to be expected in any partnership). There's definitely some issues with this solution, such as quadruple the ingest times vs MP, issues with larger catalog builds, counter-intuitive keywording functionality, lack of viable contact sheet builds (I still need Media Pro for that, even that will be ending this year as all OSs will be upgraded, fought the fight to the last; still looking or having IT look for a viable solution for that). But the benefits outweigh those for now...
I will miss Media Pro. It had great functionality for onsite and secure offsite work (via Notepad). Powerful bit of software.
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You might also want to take a look at KYNO.
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thanks will try it too.
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Like all the rest of you here, I already hate the day I will eventually have to let go of MediaPro. And like most of you I, too, find MediaPro to be the best DAM software ever released. Its functionality, flexibility, reliability combined with its ease of use are unparalleled. I have loved it for many years, and I still do.
To Ian Wilson, who has speculated that MediaPro has never had a big user forum. Well, I have never attended a user forum for MP, neither did I ever have a reason to call them up for technical support, simply because everything works like a charm. On the other hand, I've been on the phone to Apple almost once or twice a week since I bought my last 27 in iMac in 2018, and they have failed to provide a solution for any major problem that I have had. All they ever say is please upgrade your OS ... It's ridiculous. And they deserve as much of the blame as Phase One for the premature demise of MP.
I have tried several alternatives to MP, and they all suck to a more or lesser degree.
NeoFinder: It has many bugs and flaws in design. But the ultimate dealbreaker is this: Whenever you work on a photo outside of NF, the thumbnail stays as it is, whereas in MP it's updated on the fly, automatically. With NF, you have to update the whole damn catalog or disk, and that takes upwards of 15 minutes (for a collection of a mere 4,500 photos). And you can't even run a slideshow (something that works smoothly in MP). On top of that, the German developer is an arrogant piece of work. He has the guts to call MP outdated and touts his software as modern and what not. I sent him a detailed email with a handful of suggestions, and he never got back to me. Never
Graphic Converter: It has a steep learning curve, and although it has been around for decades, it doesn't meet the criteria for a practical and up-to-date DAM software. Forget about customizing in any way that makes sense. For example: In MP, I can have ANY kind of info below my thumbnails, and in list view I can have ten parameters and sort them hierarchically. No such thing here.
XnViewMP: There's no User's Guide to be found anywhere. Forget about customizing. The interface is convoluted and doesn't make sense. Just try to arrange a small number of windows here and see what happens, either they disappear or change their size or move to a different place! It's madness.
And I have tried PhotoMechanic, CaptureOne, ACDSee, digikam etc. and none of them didn't even compare.
All of them have one thing in common, and that's a big problem: They are all based on directories containing any number of folders. As far as I can tell, this means that each and every time you open a catalog these things tend to scan the whole damn directory, and to render the thumbnails takes a long time. In MediaPro, you generate a catalog once, and that may take a few minutes, but the next time you open it, all the thumbnails are there instantaneously.
Enough said. I could go on and on, but I would like to also like to request that Phase One (or anyone else for that matter) revives MediaPro. And please don't blame it on the 32-bit problem. My version of Photoshop, which was released in 2021, is 64-bit compatible.
If that fails, is there a programmer out there that would like to get together with me and design a MediaPro-like software that takes it to the next step? Basically, I would like this to work in ways similar if not identical to MediaPro, but I have a small number of improvements in mind:
Provide support for smart albums.
Improve map support. Even the current version supports it to some degree, provided your images have geotags embedded in the file. But there should be a better way to retroactively add GPS data to images, since many high-end cameras don't record GPS data.
To all of you many thanks for your comments. Now I know I'm not alone...
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Christina Micek. Thank you.
Following Christina's words I tested Photo Supreme V7 Lite. Indeed, the support is fine, the program is fine, the only one that come close to MP, but...
It looks to me like the Rococo version of MP. Too much colors, to much details that grab the eye. It basically lacks the extraordinary simplicity of MP. As a wise photographer put it, nothing is more complicated than being simple.
It took me a few minutes to build a test case from old photos, i.e. from MP to FS, and another five minutes to use it, modify it, etc. After 15 minutes I was completely at home. I am going to do a test case with new photos, i.e. no MP.
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I did it.
1. One new NEF, opened in C1, put copyright sentence. No way to connect with Photo Supreme.
2. I ingested the one NEF directly into Photo Supreme. Difficult to find the metadata. I added a John Smith name tag. Failed to export to something and import into C1.
My Conclusion: A nice DAM program. If I could not get the metadata into C1 after about 30 minutes... NO GO.
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A few year ago Google purchased NIK software and released it for free.
I wrote Google asking very politely to consider doing something similar with Media Pro. Four days, no answer.
Maybe there is someone reading these lines with powers I lack. Maybe....
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Regarding connecting metadata- I don't understand what you are trying to do? I write metadata to the files, so whatever program they open in, the metadata is shown. pg 13-14 for example how to add keywords- https://manualsu.idimager.com/version5/QuickStart-Cataloging.pdf, then right click add metadata to files- then the files show all new metadata in C1.
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Again, if Capture One 22 would be as fast and good for Digital Asset Management like RAW processing, it would be the perfect successor of MediaPro which also runs on modern MacOS and I wouldn't complain again and again. I really like the UI and some MediaPro features made it into Capture One. But for the moment to do annotating, managing my little C1 catalog of "only" 80.000 images is a pain… – always a rainbow ball, can't make so much coffee, like I need to wait;-) This early approach of Media Pro and Capture One side by side in conjunction was almost perfect (except the missing smart folders in Media Pro). Haven't found any alternative yet which allows be the same fast and easy workflow.
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I still use MP in my late 2013 Mac Pro with 64 GB RAM. For some strange reason I can only save files on external disks but the program is my life saver! I depend on it for simplicity and peace of mind. I have used an uninstaller to try to remove every trace of it and reinstall but ancatslogs saved to the Mac SSD gets stripped of all data.
I also would love to see a new version of MP. Right now, I plan to always have an Intel Mac running 10.1.4 Mojave alongside my M1x MacBook Pro.
I have tested numerous programs to replace MP but none come near.
Lightroom Classic is a future option but it’s a discordant experience after MP!
Anyone with ideas let me know https://openphotographyforums.com
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I also would help support rewriting such a MP replacement!
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