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Workflow involving Lightroom + C1 + flexible file locations

mylifeuncut
Hi everybody,

Beginner question. I am still struggling with the transition from Lightroom to C1:

For _now_ I want to use Lightroom for cataloging images. I would like to be able to work on the same RAW files with both programs (no duplicates on the hardrive). This seems to be possible with a C1 catalog (just import the same images into LR and C1 catalogs without moving them and you are done, I guess?), but not with sessions.

Now, I would to prefer a session based workflow in C1 because it is easier to move a session to a different harddrive or a different computer without losing all your adjustments. However, It does not seem possible to work with sessions without duplicating the original RAW files (?).

My question: Is there a way to work on the same source RAW file with LR and C1 _and_ store allthe adjustments of C1 in a sidecar file (as LR does) or something like that? As far as I understand, a flexible, file location independet workflow in C1 involves sessions (and the need to duplicate images) whereas in a catalog, all the adjustments are stored _within_ the catalog, which robs me of the flexibility to move around my files as I see fit.

Any advice?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Andreas
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  • SFA
    I abandoned LR back at version 1 on the basis that all images had to be imported into a catalogue and that meant duplication.

    Capture One sessions, the only approach available before catalogues were introduced, suited me very well.

    So long as a file is available in an open and unmanaged folder (in C1 catalogue terms that would be "Referenced" - I assume LR has something similar these days?) you can open it in a session.

    Just open a session - an existing session or create a new one - then C1's Library tool and the the System Folders subsection (you may need to scroll down to see it).

    Navigate to the folder that contains the images you want to edit with C1. Select the folder. Optionally add the folder as a Favourite for the session.

    C1 will identify all of the viable files in the folder and create a subfolder structure to contain files for thumbnails, previews and edit instructions/layer mask data.

    You do not have to import images to a session although there are some useful features and functions available if you do that. However to do so may be in conflict with LR requirements - I'm not sure as I have have not used LR for some years.

    So those are the basics.

    In theory moving and entire session is easy - especially if all the files have been imported to the session folder structure.

    Where you are sharing folder with another application there are other considerations to take into account. Hopefully someone with real world experience of what you are proposing to do will drop in shortly and offer their experiences.

    HTH.


    Grant
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  • mylifeuncut
    Thanks for your extremely helpful reply. That was exactly what I was looking for. I don't see any problems with this approach
    as neither LR nor C1 are touching the original RAW files and the names and locations of the sidecar files are not conflicting.

    Thanks again, Andreas
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  • Drugstore
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    I abandoned LR back at version 1 on the basis that all images had to be imported into a catalogue and that meant duplication.


    Dear Grant, I'm using LR since version 1 and afaIr it never stored the images itself in it's SQLlite database. It only stores metadata and development values and so on in the database (also in version 1). Image files have always been separated from the database. So it was always possible to use the raw or jpg files in it's structure with other converters.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NN635299624516976000UL" wrote:
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    I abandoned LR back at version 1 on the basis that all images had to be imported into a catalogue and that meant duplication.


    Dear Grant, I'm using LR since version 1 and afaIr it never stored the images itself in it's SQLlite database. It only stores metadata and development values and so on in the database (also in version 1). Image files have always been separated from the database. So it was always possible to use the raw or jpg files in it's structure with other converters.


    You may well be right but as I recall it was never presented that way and from memory there were several changes in the early releases that were quite significant and seemed to relate to where and how things were stored. That said it was a long time ago and my memory may be in error.

    I briefly looked at LR 3 and the machine I used to do that is still operational showing an folder structure that cascades into Preview folders with a catalog db file in the top folder - or so it seems.

    I have a feeling that LR1 may be on an old defunct laptop or a desktop machine that was adversely affected by a series of power cuts a couple of weeks back and is now reluctant to boot properly. So I can't easily check that. Perhaps what I really recall is that importation seemed to be a requirement whereas my favoured application at the time could simply access a file wherever it was - in the same way that a C1 session can be deployed.

    Either way it would seem that Andreas has the possibility to work how he wants to work using both applications which is great news.

    I will see if I can get access to the LR V1 installation - I need to try to get the old machine running anyway but it may take some time.


    Grant
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