External hard disk, two computers - problems
I 'd be really grateful if someone could point me to a step by step guide to help me with the following - I've searched online but can't find a solution so far:
I currently have all my photographs plus a Capture One referenced catalogue for them stored on the hard disk of my desktop Mac. I would like to move these to an external, portable hard drive so that I can access and edit the same files by a Mac laptop running Capture One while on the road (the files are all backed up so even if I loose the external hard drive, it won't be a total disaster!).
I've tried different ways of doing this but I can't get both the laptop and the desktop to 'see' the edited RAW files. Either one or the other only sees the unedited files. I guess this is something to do with the way the catalogue is referencing the files but I can't work out why it's not working!
If anyone knows of a step by step guide to this, I'd be most grateful for the link - I imagine I'm not the only one who has tried to do this.
Many thanks.
I currently have all my photographs plus a Capture One referenced catalogue for them stored on the hard disk of my desktop Mac. I would like to move these to an external, portable hard drive so that I can access and edit the same files by a Mac laptop running Capture One while on the road (the files are all backed up so even if I loose the external hard drive, it won't be a total disaster!).
I've tried different ways of doing this but I can't get both the laptop and the desktop to 'see' the edited RAW files. Either one or the other only sees the unedited files. I guess this is something to do with the way the catalogue is referencing the files but I can't work out why it's not working!
If anyone knows of a step by step guide to this, I'd be most grateful for the link - I imagine I'm not the only one who has tried to do this.
Many thanks.
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to best of my knowledge you can't do it. There as some limitations to what a software can and can't do. I believe this is one of the things you can't do.
Alternative put the files on an ext drive and use two copy of the catalog ( with must! reside on the internal drive) and you can synch one way only! the catalog files on both computers.
If some one has a better solution I am all ears LOL
Alessandro0 -
Thanks Alececco - I have spent most of the afternoon trying to work out a way to do this and it looks like you're right. I managed to create a new catalogue on my external hard drive which had the edits from the old one on it, when viewed on my desktop. However when I then ejected my external hard drive and plugged it into my laptop, Capture One can't 'see' any changes I previously made on the desktop unless I re-import the catalogue so that I have duplicates of everything! The same problem also happens in reverse.
I'm really amazed this doesn't work - it seems such a simple thing to do and if you're using the same software on 2 different computers, I don't understand why they don't 'read' each other's changes.
Once again it seems I think completely differently to 99% of the population!
This morning I put in a request to Capture One support but have not yet had a reply - if I get one I'll post it up.
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My guess would be that it has something to do with the way the Mac identifies the drive internally compared to how that same location (by drive name but not the one you see on screen) may be different on different machines.
Run as "Managed" rather than referenced and you will probably be OK, except for possibly large files?
Or use sessions for the stuff you are working on when travelling rather than take the entire catalogue.
HTH.
Grant0 -
Thanks for the feedback Grant - I've now tried a 'managed' catalogue and hit the same problem unfortunately.
A few weeks back I had a phone call from an editor wanting a photograph - it was for the front cover of a glossy and an opportunity not to be missed. I was on location the whole day and said I could get it to her the next working day but that was no good - she needed it then and there so missed the job! Since then I've been looking for a way to make my whole catalogue easily portable and accessible via Capture One so I can edit 'on the fly' if necessary. Maybe the Cloud is an option but expensive for the amount of files I have - plus suspect I'd hit the same issue anyway? Otherwise Sessions make sense for location shoots for sure.
Any other ideas / suggestions - please let me know.
Many thanks,0 -
You might consider ChronoSync (https://www.econtechnologies.com/chrono ... rview.html). I have a Mac Pro and a MacBook Pro, each with the catalog on the user disk and the photos on a separate disk, and ChronoSync keeps them synchronized nicely. The synching operation is only dependent on changed files (images in the photo disk and edits/thumbnails in the catalog), so after the initial pain of synching multi-GB files, the day to day synchronization takes only a few minutes. You do have to remember to sync after changing things on one computer, and you also have to be diligent in only working on one at a time, but if you can do that, ChronoSync should take care of your issues. It worked with Aperture, and it also works well with Capture One (and other data files, for that matter).
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Thanks for the feedback Grant - I've now tried a 'managed' catalogue and hit the same problem unfortunately.
That seems strange.
Anything imported to a Managed Catalogue should see the files when they are "in" the catalogue - or so I would have thought.
Just to confirm here - what is it you can't see on both machines?
Do you see the RAW files on both machines but the edits on only one of them or are you seeing the Edits on both machines but the RAWs are only available one one if you want to perform further editing?
A fully managed catalogue on a single external disk plugged in to either computer would, I would have thought, have access to everything so long as it was based on full copy of the Catalogue (including the imported images it is is "managed") PROVIDING you are accessing the active master catalogue and not a backup copy. And providing you closed C1 fully before quitting and unplugging the disk drive from wherever it was being used.
However, I am no Mac expert so my assumptions could well be wrong.
Grant0 -
The solution I use is the following:
Both the referenced catalogs and the picture files (raws and rendered) are stored on the same portable HD (4 TB raid bus powered) which can be plugged in either my MBP or my Mac Pro. Easy to use and easy to back-up.0 -
I'm using referenced catalogs for my older work. Raw images on external USB HDD, referenced catalogs on internal SSD.
For testing, I copied a catalog to external USB disk and started it from there. It works out of the box on both machines, home and mobile.
So I wonder what the difference in our setup is. Do you connect your portable the same way on both machines? You see the images on both, but without adjustments on one? What more do you see? Are there any warnings, like 'offline' or question mark, in CO?
Regards,
Hans0 -
Thanks everyone for your helpful replies. I'm starting to wonder if it's an OS compatibility issue. I'm running Sierra on my Macbook Pro but still running Yosemite on my desktop. Busy day today but I'll do some more testing this evening and report back . . .
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Just received the following reply from Phase One support - will test this later today:
"Hi,
Yes it is possible.
Make sure to use a fast SSD drive and an interface that is fast and that you have on the machines you plan to work on. USB-C is fast but quite new so not all machines have it. Or USB 3 or thunderbolt. etc.
Make your files managed instead of referenced. (that is in the library tool in the folders structure. drag the files from the folders location into the "Catalog" itself, identified as a small catalog icon on just above the folders in the file structure).
Then copy or move the catalog to your portable drive. and you are ready to go.
Make sure to keep the same version of capture one on the machines you use."0 -
At last I've got it all to work - if anyone hits the same problem, this is what I did:
To recap: I need to be able to access my main Capture One catalogue and its associated RAW files from a desktop Mac and a Laptop Mac so that I can process and forward files in the office or on the road. Both computers need to be able to read each other's edits. I tried various ways of doing this but in the end it's all very straightforward. The keys are:
1. Make sure you're running the same version of OS on both computers. I was running the same version of Capture One Pro (9.3) but different versions of OS.
2. The files have to be stored in the catalogue (ie managed). If they are stored outside the catalogue (referenced) it won't work. This created some hassle for me because I had to bring all my files into the catalogue and then organise them using 'user collections' - there doesn't seem to be a way of important entire folders of files as folders into catalogues.
3. Copy the catalogue from your internal hard disk / SSD onto your portable hard drive - I use a LaCie with Thunderbolt connection and haven't noticed any slowdown in process speed.
4. Close down Capture One on your desktop. Unplug the portable hard drive and plug it into the laptop. Open up Capture One and click 'File', 'Open' then select the relevant catalogue in the file tree.
5. Hay presto - you should see your catalogue open up with all the edits made on your desktop. The same works in reverse of course.
Many thanks for all the comments / support - we got there in the end!0 -
[color=#FF0000:2lbjw6me]"2. The files have to be stored in the catalogue (ie managed). If they are stored outside the catalogue (referenced) it won't work. This created some hassle for me because I had to bring all my files into the catalogue and then organise them using 'user collections' - there doesn't seem to be a way of important entire folders of files as folders into catalogues."
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I don't think so.
The raw files can be easily stored outside the catalog, referenced, and it works smoothly. I have this arrangement and I can use the same raw files with CO, Lr, Iridient....without any issue.
What is different is the procedure to move the files from the internal disk to an external one. Using the referenced approach, as I always do, when you move the raw files you have to relink them to the catalog, one minute work only once.0 -
I followed MacBates recommendations sometime ago and works great. See his comments earlier in this thread. Very easy to setup and reliable as well. I have MBP (portable) and iMac. Originals are kept in external hard drive. Referenced catalogs. I have three catalogs. Each individual catalog is kept in sync with Chronosync in the MBP and iMAc. Thus, I can edit pics offline in MBP. When connecting either the MBP or the iMac the catalogs recognize the originals in external HD with no problem. You should try it. The Basic Explanations in Chronosync are quite helpful 0
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