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Media Pro & Nef

henrimonnier
I have loaded the recent update to Media Pro, all my formats are working fine except .nef (Nikon). DNG's, PNG's ,etc. full screen, just gotta get these pesky nef's going....
I poked aroind on the Nikon site, no ideas there, hopefully sombody here hase one (or more.....)
Thanks,
Henrii
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I guess you haven't been following this forum since Media Pro was released. Nikon NEF files are not supported, unless you use Capture One as your raw editor. If you search the forum you will find many, many discussions on this topic.

    Here is one discussion:
    Media Pro 1 Mac: Will we get manufacturer rendering back?
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  • Drew Altdo
    If you use the Phase One Render Engine the NEF files are supported.
    If you are on a Mac and use the Apple Render Engine the NEF files are supported.
    If you are on a PC and use the Windows Imaging Component Render Engine you ALSO need to have a Codec installed that supports the NEF files and then the NEF files are supported.

    The only hang up is that I don't think Nikon makes a 64Bit Codec so if you are on Windows 7 64Bit you may need to look for a 3rd party codec.
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  • henrimonnier
    [quote="Drew" wrote:
    If you are on a PC and use the Windows Imaging Component Render Engine you ALSO need to have a Codec installed that supports the NEF files and then the NEF files are supported.The only hang up is that I don't think Nikon makes a 64Bit Codec so if you are on Windows 7 64Bit you may need to look for a 3rd party codec.

    Drew,
    Thanks, that is the delema I'm in then. My old W7-32bit machine died (had been thru many migrations), now I find many things that are impacted by the 32/64bit mode. I'll shop around for one, but for the few images (less than 10%), I'd most likely be better off converting them to DNG, then they'll br OK. But I'll still look first...
    Thanks again.....
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  • michel421
    Hi Henry,

    Maybe the new Windows 64 bit Codec supports your NEF files?
    Downloadlink http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/de ... en&id=1385

    Regards, Michel
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  • Bubba5
    Drew wrote:
    If you are on a Mac and use the Apple Render Engine the NEF files are supported.

    It depends what you mean by "supported".

    This is really only partly true. Media Pro WILL display the NEF. However, if your workflow includes Nikon Capture NX2, Media Pro will NOT display the edits you've made to the file because apple's engine doesn't do that.

    iView and Expression Media 2 (up to Mac OSX 10.5) did display edits made in NX2. This was one important consideration for users like me and a reason I bought iView many years ago. Rather than fix the problem that began with OSX 10.6 (when Microsoft owned the program), Phase One has decided to abandon this feature and, in so doing, abandon long-time users like me.
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  • judophotos
    I have just started using 1.1 having carried on working with EM2 because of the earlier MPro problems. It seems better this time round so far and displays NX2 altered NEF images okay (so far). My system is Win 7 64bit using Fast Picture Viewer Codec.

    What I am dissappointed with is the lack of subseconds in the Capture time causing one second sequences of 8 to 10 images to be out of order. Other programs use subseconds so why not PhaseOne MPro?
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  • henrimonnier
    [quote="michel421" wrote:
    Maybe the new Windows 64 bit Codec supports your NEF files?
    Downloadlink http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/de ... en&id=1385
    Regards, Michel

    Michel,
    I did give that a try, and downloaded the one I 'thought' was english. but when I ran it (as admin) it crapped out indicating it could not find some .inf file. The MS site offered no help or direction for the missing .inf file.
    Thanks for the suggestion.....
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  • Permanently deleted user
    As I write these lines I use the following configuration:
    - Windows 7 64 bits
    - Codec Pack ( 16.0.0652.0621 ) Microsoft Camera
    - MediaPro 1.1
    - CaptureNX2
    - ViewNX2
    - Expression Media 2

    Concerning the display of the NEF:

    - Explorer of files Windows: display of NEF of origin since the installation of Microsoft Camera Codec Pack ( 16.0.0652.0621 ) 😊

    - MediaPro 1.1 with parameters returned of embellishes with images RAW positioned to Mediapro: display of NEF of origin 10s (ten seconds!) 😡

    - MediaPro 1.1 with parameters returned of embellishes with images RAW positioned in Component of Microsoft imaging: display of NEF of origin 2s (two seconds!) ☹️

    - Media expression 2: display of the NAVE modified there 1s (one second!) 😄

    Here the url to donwload Microsoft Camera Codec Pack ( 16.0.0652.0621 ) http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/de ... x?id=26829 Choose your language and then, and bizarrely, the AMD64 version for a Windows 7 64 bits.

    I hope that MediaPro is going to react in front of its poor performances to display NEF, 😕

    I do not speak either about the not release of codec about 64 bits by Nikon; that makes pity 🤬
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  • Christopher Plourde
    What follows is a long post but perhaps it will help Nikon folks sustain their Catalogs as we wait for more progress in viewing NEF files in Media Pro. An iView Media user since 2003, now with the latest 1.1 upgrade to Media Pro I think I have found a workflow I can live with again. It enables me to keep my Catalog with NEFs, see the edited thumbs and use Capture NX2 as my main editor, (although I use Capture One to edit my iPhone photos, as well as Photoshop when needed). 


    My working catalog requirement is, that the Thumbnail must represent the edited version of the file after editing in NX2. This has not been available for a long while now. Although as another poster stated NEF files in unedited state have been viewable this doesn’t meet the requirement to see the edited file thumbnail. Now this is doable again, not perfect but workable.
    
 A couple of setup steps are necessary to make this work. Finally the Phase One RAW rendering engine works with NEFs on my MBP in OSX 10.6.8.
    
--> First thing , Open Preferences
    
--> under Media Rendering set rendering engine to Phase One
    
 -->> select the ‘use embedded preview if available’ checkbox.
    --> exit Preferences back to the catalog
    This enables Media Pro to use the embedded jpeg in the NEF file which is updated by NX2 when the file is saved including the edits, the crop, etc. which to me is important.

    
There is a trick to make this thumbnail register in the catalog.
    
--> After editing you have to Replace the thumbnail after revision. The rebuild command doesn't work on the NEFs don't know why, but this does;
    
 -->> after editing and closing the file delete the thumbnail in the catalog
    
 -->> then I use Update Folder Now command restoring the thumb back to the catalog
    sourced from the edited NEF file. Cool!

    This enables the catalog to reflect my B&W conversions for instance, done in NX2. I also save my edited file as a JPEG, placed in the folder (sometimes with altered name) or replace the original jpeg using the 'save as' command in NX2. The replaced JPEG of the same name will be rebuilt if you choose to rebuild thumbs. 

Back in business, finally to at least a workable catalog. The JPEG can be used with the Light Table or Slide Show for evaluation etc.

    Your mileage may vary, but I hope this helps folks get a handle on their NEF Thumbnails.

    Cheers,
    Christopher
    Nikonian
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  • James McDowell
    Christopher:

    Thanks for the work around, it worked for me except that, for whatever reason, when I updated the folder it duplicated all the items in the folder. Clearly the rebuild command on the Mac does not work as expected.

    I've got to say that I'm really starting to share the frustration of other users on this forum. I purchased Media Pro because I was happy to see it get picked up and wanted to support its development moving forward. The experience so far however, has been disappointing.
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  • judophotos
    http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6753/kulisch2010.jpg

    I can't understand what all the fuss is about.

    Above are two images from a judo throw sequence of 10 images. The image on the left (frame 0257) is an untouched original RAW image and that on the right (frame 0258) is the next RAW image in the sequence which has been cropped with NX2 and slightly altered. For me all the thumbnails and previews are showing as altered with NX2.

    I am running Win 7 64bit Professional. The codec is WIC as shown in the Edit/Preferences/Media Rendering/RAW menu. However I do have the FastPictureViewer Codec on the machine with the control panel set to NEF & NRW. I am not an expert so I don't know if this is making any difference. If it is then the Media Pro developers need to incorporate it into MPro.

    I hope this helps.
    David
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  • Christopher Plourde
    David, I am glad it's working for you. Are you editing from within Media Pro using the Open with command to get to your editor? and then updating the folder manually or is the auto update folder turned on? Your detailed work flow may help us nail things down a bit better. Your success may directly relate to your configuration. I am using the Phase One codec and on a Mac. Since Nikon had a deal to work with Microsoft a few years back it doesn't surprise me that their codec is working well. Hope you continue to have success running the app.

    James thanks for your response to my post. I don't know why you got that result, do you have both Jpeg and Nef files? I have taken to checking the folder to verify the number of files before I do the rebuild. I like to know the count before I update the catalog, so I can ensure I know that the resulting update matches.

    The reason I am sticking with this is because I now have a 3.6GB Catalog, I can search and find specific files with the versatility this program provides. Having the data annotated back to 2003 has made my images available to me. This is just too important an investment to give up on. The DAM philosophy is key to long term management of my images. If I didn't have this commitment to the tool over the years, I might be using Aperture, or Lightroom, but I am not sorry I am still using this tool, and the recovery by Phase One is being accomplished responsibly. We just got another bump release, 1.1.1, just installed. Looking forward to a more stabile experience.
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  • judophotos
    http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4552/kulisch2010a.jpg

    Chris, I am on a PC so that might make a difference to the problems you are getting. I have just gone to the image as above and reverted to the original RAW file using NX2 then rebuilt it in MPro with control B to do so. The whole process took no more than a few seconds. As far as I am concerned that has always worked on this latest version.

    Regarding opening the image in NX2 I use the normal methods such as 'open with' and dropping it on NX2.

    On the catalogue side I have several very big ones because I have a great deal of images. Even if pictures are not very attractive I still keep them as they often show technical aspects of judo which is a very complex and skilled sporting discipline. They can then be used to support articles I or others write.

    My largest fully working catalogue is 3.9gb for this year, which is not yet finished, and contains 49k images. The thumbs are high quality 320 pixels with 800 px medium full screen previews. All my IPTC is written back to the images and I usually check that every now and again with NX2 as my experience with EM2 was not good as the IPTC very often could not be written to the images.

    I start the workflow with Photo Mechanic which adds all the IPTC info that is common to all the images. MPro is used for captioning individually or in batches.

    I would like to have bigger and better full screen previews but the catalogues probably become too big or need to be for a shorter period. A few weeks ago I built a catalogue that was 5.1gb but all the file names were corrupted.

    My wishlist for MPro is that it uses subseconds. Currently it does not and 8 images with the same time is troublesome and unecessary on action pictures. Hopefully they can sort this out quickly as Photo Mechanic will be launching a catalogue program soon that will match its browser with subseconds.

    I hope this helps.
    David
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  • Christopher Plourde
    David, thanks for the response. Your work flow isn't that different from mine. I use ViewNX2/Transfer to bring in and initially load metadata and Lat/Long on my files, then to MPro. I am having much less trouble with the latest versions. I will try a couple of your techniques and see how it goes. I agree, sub-seconds would fix issues I have too.
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