How to work with NAS on Mac
Hi
I've been using C1 for a few months and really enjoying it for the most part.
I'm wanting to make the switch to NAS. Since the NAS will be a big investment, I want to be sure it will work with C1.
With that in mind, I've been toying around with an old WD 1 drive NAS I bought to experiment with.
Whenever I work on a session that is on the NAS, things go ok for a while but within a few minutes I always get a C1 dialog box about a critical error that the database is locked and that C1 needs to close the session.
One of my biggest interests in a NAS is being able to access a session remotely on a NAS in another location.
I'm using latest version of C1 11 and OS 10.13.1 High Sierra)
Thanks!
I've been using C1 for a few months and really enjoying it for the most part.
I'm wanting to make the switch to NAS. Since the NAS will be a big investment, I want to be sure it will work with C1.
With that in mind, I've been toying around with an old WD 1 drive NAS I bought to experiment with.
Whenever I work on a session that is on the NAS, things go ok for a while but within a few minutes I always get a C1 dialog box about a critical error that the database is locked and that C1 needs to close the session.
One of my biggest interests in a NAS is being able to access a session remotely on a NAS in another location.
I'm using latest version of C1 11 and OS 10.13.1 High Sierra)
Thanks!
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AFP or SMB ? 0 -
The WD settings say SMB3. 0 -
I have a Netgear NAS with 4 WD hard drives.
After doing some basic experimenting with it, I decided to use it only for archiving.
I just uploaded a handful of Jpg, NEF, ORF, and ARW - files and opened them from there with the Preview application. There is a significant 'delay' for rendering images from that location (at least on my system) vs opening them on my internal HD (ssd).
So, my solution is, I just copy the relevant session over to my internal HD, do my 'thing' in CO and when finished copy it back to its location on my NAS.
That works for me, but I am not a professional/high volume professional.
/edit/ I do not use the catalog feature of CO /end edit/0 -
Andy,
I'm WIndows rather than Mac and have just bought a recent model 2 disk NAS to rationalise my multi-external disk backup "system" after one of the more recent, larger and hardly used drives died without warning when seemingly doing nothing at all.
The NAS has a USB3 copy facility to I decided to copy over one of my 4TB drives (NAS has 2 8TB drives mirrored) and see what would happen. I had previously loaded a few smaller sources and one 240GB USB2 drive - which took a while.
The 3.5 TB on the 4TB drive took about 30 hours to copy over during which a read a lot about NAS drive performance.
At the end the process advised that it had failed - however I think it might have been a reference to the 68 or so logged file failures. As I did't recognise those files at all, no the apparent file types, I was not too worried. However there are small discrepancies in the folder and file counts that I guess I need to check when I find a log file I can read.
I saw the unit as mainly a backup store rather than an interactive drive so in the end decided to go with lower spec drives and save a significant amount (8TB drives are quite expensive for an experiment!).
I can edit from the NAS, just as I can from the USB3 drives, but they do like to go into ECO mode as often as possible and that can be a little disruptive.
I have yet to try that as a serious exercise - I should probably do the folder and file count comparison before throwing too many new files into the system. (As if nearly 4TB in total is not already a lot of files .....)
Whilst the Disk to NAS USB3 transfer was directly connected by system is not at this time. The NAS is connected to the router network via an ethernet socket in a Wi-Fi range extender as a temporary solution for connectivity. Good enough for general stuff but not exactly likely to set the speed traps off for intensive work.
One obvious discovery on the transfer via USB3 was that large files were written at about the claimed max speed for the drives installed. Not too bad though there are much much faster drives around if pockets are deep enough.
Small files, however, are not as speedy as one might expect until one reads more on the subject and starts to appreciate more fully why drives, spinning or solid state, are produced with rather different specs, capacities and costs.
So right now I am anticipating an interesting and informative learning curve with the new NAS. Once I have deduplicated the stored files, some of which seem to have been breeding over the years.
🤓
Grant0 -
I use a Synology 918+ NAS with 3x 3TB WD Red Drives with an 256GB SSD HDD. They are built as Synology RAID and I have attached a 4TB USB drive to the NAS to back up the NAS daily, should it happen to anything in the NAS. Also key files are getting copied to MS One Drive (about 1TB)
Previously CO have had problems with NAS if you store all the images over there (referenced catalogue, actual catalogue files are always in internal HDD, preferably a SSD). But CO11, things are much faster. However I use NAS as backup as well. The files I am working or planning to work are on a USB3 attached Samsung T3 and the files tat I am done with working are moved to NAS. Good thing is you can do all this movement in CO so your folder structure and everything is the same and if you have set some albums smart albums, etc, they will be intact.
Regarding SMB3 vs AFP, Apple is dropping AFP protocol since El Capital as far as I know so you better set as SMB3. My NAS is connected to an Apple Extreme with gigabit cable and my iMac is on 5Ghz wireless mode so the speed is about 50-60MB tops.0 -
This is very helpful-thanks! I currently use a Samsung external SSD drive for my "work in progress" and sounds like it would make sense to continue to do that once a NAS is part of the system. And to keep catalogs on the external SSD with the images on the NAS.
One question about that SSD/NAS workflow: if I am at home, or working remotely via laptop and I have my SSD with the CO catalog directly attached to my computer, will CO connect to the NAS and maintain all the links as though I were at my studio connected to the NAS or will the directory/links etc no longer be the same?
The one thing I'm trying to also figure out is this: I have a retoucher that regularly needs to access my images. We work closely together though he works on the images from his home. It would be great if he could access the NAS remotely and actually view a CO session on the NAS. Has anyone tried to do that? As I'd mentioned in my initial post, CO crashes whenever I try to do this.0 -
Hi Andy,
Remote working is an interesting concept isn't it!
I'm nowhere near ready to to experiment with the ins and outs of secure remote access but if I map a private folder of the NAS as a drive within the internal network the connection so far seems robust. I have a Synology unit.
From what I have read, and given that Windows has a Remote Access facility that seems to be supported, I would think there is some possibility of such an option working. Presumably something comparable is possible with Mac?
I guess the internet based connection's reliable speed rating would become a limiting issue.
As an alternative would the EIP option be a realistic solution anyway as things stand?
Grant0 -
[quote="AndyCollings" wrote:
This is very helpful-thanks! I currently use a Samsung external SSD drive for my "work in progress" and sounds like it would make sense to continue to do that once a NAS is part of the system. And to keep catalogs on the external SSD with the images on the NAS.
One question about that SSD/NAS workflow: if I am at home, or working remotely via laptop and I have my SSD with the CO catalog directly attached to my computer, will CO connect to the NAS and maintain all the links as though I were at my studio connected to the NAS or will the directory/links etc no longer be the same?
The one thing I'm trying to also figure out is this: I have a retoucher that regularly needs to access my images. We work closely together though he works on the images from his home. It would be great if he could access the NAS remotely and actually view a CO session on the NAS. Has anyone tried to do that? As I'd mentioned in my initial post, CO crashes whenever I try to do this.
First of all, let me make one thing clear. CO catalogue needs to be in internal HDD as it is the fastest access for the system. The you can use referenced catalogue system; files you are working on will be on an external SSD (as this is the seconds fastest access) and the files you are not using can be on a NAS (as this is the slowest access, via WiFi or Ethernet).
When you launch NAS on your desktop, it maps as a drive via LAN access, not an external access. It means, it maps the NAS' IP as the drive's IP so CO can see the files. If you leave home, say you sit in a café, then that IP address won't exist anymore.
I haven't tried it but you can set WebDAV but then every single time when you try to access to the files on NAS, your request will go via external internet, meaning the speed will depend on your internet speed, not mentioning you will eat your quota as well.0 -
This forum is a great resource!
Grant-I have been trying to use EIPs as that seems like the logical file to send to the retoucher. But we've had a lot of issues where all of my adjustments and metadata are not working. We're both on the same version of CO. And of course you don't have the option to not include adjustments so they are definitely in the files.
fatihayoglu-thanks for the info on the mapping. If I understand correctly, you're saying that if I set up CO to be able to view images with same links regardless of where I am, I'll always be viewing the images using the internet even if the NAS is sitting on my desk?0 -
On the EIP question - if I were you I would raise that as a Support Case.
The whole purpose of EIP files is to do with exactly what you are trying to do, at least as far as I understand it. So there has to be a reason why the concept is not working for you.
Grant0 -
[quote="AndyCollings" wrote:
This forum is a great resource!
fatihayoglu-thanks for the info on the mapping. If I understand correctly, you're saying that if I set up CO to be able to view images with same links regardless of where I am, I'll always be viewing the images using the internet even if the NAS is sitting on my desk?
If you can manage the map the NAS through external IP, sure you can access the files and move your laptop anywhere and CO will access the files slow but without any problem.
You need to open your NAS for external access, get a static IP from you internet provider, get a really fast internet (probably fiber, like I have 150Mb/150Mb and it provides me a nice access when I try to reach my files) and then somehow map the NAS as a drive via external IP 😊0 -
I'm using a WD EX-4100 with 2x8TB and 2x2TB (both in RAID-1). With the WD cloud software I could (theoretically) access my data online but it's not something I'm pursuing right now, maybe starting next year. As mentioned that would be very slow anyway but at least I can get away with it without getting an external static IP.
Back to the local NAS usage: On my Macs it's been very painful to use, it's either quite slow but somewhat stable on SMB3 (transfer speeds are at about 70MB/s even with all possible performance boosting methods) or using AFP a bit faster (about 90MB/s) but less stable, very laggy and generally very problematic for CaptureOne and other demanding software.
For normal browsing and small(isn) file transfer it works quite well, also streaming video and audio works okay(ish).
However on Windows it's much faster (+110MB/s), almost fully saturating the 1 GB/s network speed and working perfectly fine with CaptureOne.0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
On the EIP question - if I were you I would raise that as a Support Case.
The whole purpose of EIP files is to do with exactly what you are trying to do, at least as far as I understand it. So there has to be a reason why the concept is not working for you.
Grant
I agree Grant. Both I and my retoucher have corresponded with Capture One support and they've been very unhelpful. They've told us both that we must be doing something wrong but no suggestions. Since we are both on the same version of C1, both mac, and there aren't any real options to creating EIPs that I could be messing with, I don't know what could be the issue. Not sure if others experience this issue.0 -
That seems very odd and not the usual sort of response from C1. At least in my experience.
What sort of changes are you making and what sort of problem are you seeing?
You mentioned none of the edits or metadata getting through. Nothing at all, ever?
As I understand it an EIP file is basically a zip file of all image related edit information.
Not something I have used much.
I'm on Windows 7 and I believe that EIP files are independent of OS. So if you would like to hack together a test file - doesn't much matter what it is - and some typical changes I would be happy to see what happens at this end. It could be quite educational!
Grant0 -
[quote="C-M-B" wrote:
I'm using a WD EX-4100 with 2x8TB and 2x2TB (both in RAID-1). With the WD cloud software I could (theoretically) access my data online but it's not something I'm pursuing right now, maybe starting next year. As mentioned that would be very slow anyway but at least I can get away with it without getting an external static IP.
Can you map your NAS as a drive with WD cloud as CO have access only to the drives?0 -
I took a quick glance at some online sources - should be possible but I won't give any guarantees. As I said, I'll be testing it at the start of next year but it looks like it should work. 0 -
Hi all,
I can only speak from the perspective of a Mac user with a Synology NAS, but now that PhaseOne have fixed a previous bug regarding network shares, I am completely happy with my setup at home. I have my catalogues on my internal SSD in my iMac and MacBookAir and then all of the raw files (referenced in the catalogue) are stored on my NAS - which I mount via AFP because, at least for me, it is faster and more stable that SMB1, 2 or 3. I am happy with the speed as, after importing files, most fo the work takes place within the catalogue anyway.
Anyway...just my 2-cents worth.
Cheers,
Kristian.0
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