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Output sharpening question

Mark.Rouleau
So, it looks like C1 does output sharpening through process recipe, which I assume means that the image would have to be processed and then re-imported into my catalog before I could use it.

There is also a sharpening tab in the printer settings. It doesn't appear to have any relationship that I can see to the output sharpening settings.

How are these two settings used? Anyone care to share their workflows?
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Hi Mark,

    This is a new and very useful functionality of version 10.
    As far as I am concerned, I have a preset for my camera body with sharpening set to zero. I have observed that the output sharpening for screen in the process recipe is very powerful and much more efficient when, for instance, I want to publish a jpeg on the web. Much better than applying structure or sharpening in the development process. I haven't try the output sharpening for print adjustment, but I guess (hope) it would the same.
    Cheers,
    Robert
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  • Benjamin Liddle
    The key part of the Output Sharpening concept is that given it is possible to process one raw file to several sizes/formats at once via the Process Recipe function and the fact that different size outputs require different sharpening, it is not only helpful but necessary to apply sharpening differently for individual output sizes. The Output Sharpening allows this, on top of the sharpening applied via the Sharpening tool.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Tnahks Ben, but I don't understand why the amount of sharpening doesn't change when changing, for instance, the distance or, in the basic tab, the resolution. I am a little bit confused about this sharpening amount and how to use it.
    Thanks for your lights !!
    Cheers,
    Robert
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  • Benjamin Liddle
    Hi Robert,
    There'll be no apparent change in the preview unless you have Recipe Proofing enabled (and zoom to 100% to see the actual output size).
    Have you checked out this post? It may help answer some concerns:
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Hi Ben,

    This is what I am doing every time I want to check the output sharpening (enable recipe proofing and zoom at 100%), but I was expecting the "defect" value of the sharpening cursor and the sharpening to change as a function of the distance (of viewing) and the resolution when I select the output sharpening for print.
    Anyway, it doesn't matter, as we can judge the resulting sharpening using the proofing, which is a fantastic improvement of version 10.
    Thanks again for your time.
    Robert
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  • Mark.Rouleau
    Great discussion, but I don't know that I'm fully understanding the workflow for printing.

    It appears that output sharpening for print can only be applied if an image is first run through a process recipe, exporting a tiff or jpeg in the process. True?

    Also, is the output sharpening from above supposed to be used in conjunction with, or instead of, the sharpening slider (default 25%) in the Print dialog box?

    I liked Lightroom's output sharpening for print as it was easy to turn on in the print module without creating a new tiff or jpeg. I'm having a harder time wrapping my head around C1's workflow.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Right Mark.
    I don't use C1 for printing, as I consider the printing module not to be at the level of the one of Photoshop, that I use for printing all of my images. So, I create a TIFF, through a process recipe, that I sharpen using "output sharpening for print" and which is opened in Photoshop, just for printing. I haven't used for long the print dialog box.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
    Hi Mark,

    This is a new and very useful functionality of version 10.
    As far as I am concerned, I have a preset for my camera body with sharpening set to zero. I have observed that the output sharpening for screen in the process recipe is very powerful and much more efficient when, for instance, I want to publish a jpeg on the web. Much better than applying structure or sharpening in the development process. I haven't try the output sharpening for print adjustment, but I guess (hope) it would the same.
    Cheers,
    Robert


    Are you on version 10.1.2?
    If so, do you find high ISO files to be particularly over-sharpened at default sharpening values?
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Yes, I am using 10.1.2. And sometimes, depending on what I want to do with my picture, I prefer to apply my own sharpening (or not to apply any sharpening) rather than the defect value. For printing, for instance.
    But you are right, the defect sharpening is not so "dectructive". It depends upon your feeling and the way you like your pictures. I don't use very high ISO values (I am below 1200 ISO most of the time). And when I use higher ISO values, I process through an iteration between NR and sharpening, when sharpening is necessary.
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