Should I upgrading from v9 to v11?

RobiWan

2018年06月03日 13:37

You are Windows user - not upgrade
V9 was much better (catalog faster, sessions faster)
The V11 has some more editing tools. But if you're so happy, I wouldn't update

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SFA

2018年06月03日 15:29

I use only sessions and I'm on Win 7.

On my fairly old hardware I have not noticed any particular change in performance moving directly from
9 to 11 although I would expect some difference for using more functionality that becomes available especially in the layers facilities. There may be some performance loss when using more edits but I have not noticed it for my purposes.

The only thing that I have found very slow is the check for duplicates on import. However I don't feel a need to use that feature and did so only for testing purposes working with some possible usage scenarios that were a long way from how I would recommend people to work with Importing needs.

HTH.

Grant

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BeO

2018年06月03日 16:17

Robiwan, how much slower is your catalog?

I am on Win7 too.
P1 claims the editing being faster (even the "overall" performance...)

quote from website:
Editing Speed
The overall performance of Capture One has been increased, which gives a smoother and faster experience when editing. This is especially helpful when fine-tuning adjustments.

Is this (only) true for MACs?

But my main concern is not so much performance but rather app crashes, catalog inconsistencies and such things. Any experience here?

Thanks
BeO

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RobiWan

2018年06月03日 16:31

Now, since version 10 there is a bad BUG in C1 under Windows, which Phase One does not want to fix. There are some threads in the forum.
If I start a small catalogue (~50000 pictures) and click on all pictures, it takes about 40 minutes until I can start working.

I've never really had any trouble with crashes - no with 9 10 or 11. Sometimes when the graphics card drivers were updated. Then I deleted the files from "Programdata\........" and it was good.

The database still gets out of hand when you change too many things on too many pictures 😊

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SFA

2018年06月03日 16:41

[quote="BeO" wrote:

But my main concern is not so much performance but rather app crashes, catalog inconsistencies and such things. Any experience here?

Thanks
BeO

My installation of C1 over the years has been extremely stable. I may be lucky but I think using a mature Win 7 rather than less mature Win 10 may also help with that.

Recently, due do extreme lack of space on internal drives, I decided to see what happened if I created a new Session (in fact 3 I think) on a NAS connected via Wi-Fi.

It worked, albeit more slowly, probably to due to the Wi-Fi speed and what appear to be some possibly developing internet server issues. Also the NAS is not set up for Speed.

However closing a session became a problem for some reason as a file indicating a database lock apparently caused issues when shutting down the session and "saving". This would usually be something to do with making sure all current in memory changes have been written (I think) and take a fraction of a second. It's a message one very rarely sees. It ended up taking hours with failed attempts and retries.

Experiment over I created some space on my main internal data drive (M-Sata SSD running in a comms card slot so SATA2 speed) and all has been well since.

So my personal experience is that all version of C1 have been stable since I started out with V6 although I skipped 10 (other than a few testing investigations) simply because there was nothing much on offer that was of immediate practical interest or benefit to me.

HTH.

Grant

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BeO

2018年06月03日 20:33

Performance comparison - "All images" without filter, 5k images

Version 9.3

Starting: 40 - 45 sec.
Closing ("Saving"): 55 sec.

Version 11.1 (trial) (on an upgraded copy of the catalog)

Starting: 50 - 55 sec.
Closing ("Saving"): between 30 and 55 sec.

I repeated the tests several times, performance figures are relatively consistent.

So, at least "All images" in v11 seems to be slower.

This test does not reveal the true nature of the respective algorithms depending on number of images (n) (i.e. if the algos are linear with n) when opening / closing the app, so with 10k images might be much worse than twice the time, should they not be linear.

I think I'll give version 11 a chance, I have been pleased with Capture One IQ and edit tools so far, and the 40% voucher on upgrades from v9 to v11 ends today. There might come another time in the future to re-evaluate other DAM and RAW converters.

Grant,
I have come from C1 v8 on a DELL mobile workstation (as you if I recall right) connected to a NAS over LAN (for the raw files). With 1k images or so it was rather impossible to work with (8 GB RAM required often app restarts, and NAS over LAN proved to be very very slow.)

I upgraded to a six core i7-5820K and 32 GB RAM running Win7 with SSDs for the raw files and "PCI SSD" (I forgot the exact naming) for drive C: which is also having the catalog. And a moderate GeForce graphics card (GTX960). Now I can work with 5k images and edit tools work sufficiently smooth.

But this PC was not cheap in my terms, should C1 require even better hardware in the future with new versions or with moderate increased no. of images then I will seriously be looking at software alternatives.

Robiwan,
I can confirm that the database design is weird in many respects and probably should get a redesign (once I examined and sql'ed it quite a lot in order to fix an issue C1 created; and I am able to assess database structures).

Cheers.
BeO

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SFA

2018年06月03日 21:22

[quote="BeO" wrote:
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Grant,
I have come from C1 v8 on a DELL mobile workstation (as you if I recall right) connected to a NAS over LAN (for the raw files). With 1k images or so it was rather impossible to work with (8 GB RAM required often app restarts, and NAS over LAN proved to be very very slow.)

I upgraded to a six core i7-5820K and 32 GB RAM running Win7 with SSDs for the raw files and "PCI SSD" (I forgot the exact naming) for drive C: which is also having the catalog. And a moderate GeForce graphics card (GTX960). Now I can work with 5k images and edit tools work sufficiently smooth.

But this PC was not cheap in my terms, should C1 require even better hardware in the future with new versions or with moderate increased no. of images then I will seriously be looking at software alternatives.

You are correct, my Dell Precision M4700 was purchased in early 2013 from the Dell Outlet so would likely be a 2012 specification base machine.

I have found that even straight copying via USB3 to the NAS is not what I would call fast. Not even close. The basic large file speed seems to be OK but the NAS and indeed USB3 transfers suffer from significant gaps between files. Not a big issue if dealing with one or several large files but very obviously disruptive if may smaller files are involved.

Processing a NAS based session is OK in principle. For example if I was working on a session that had been archived to the NAS it would not be worth copying it back to an internal drive first to make a fee edits. (Other than the "saving" problem which was not present when I first tried the idea.) But I don't think a NAS based approach would likely be a good idea for an initial session assessment and edit.

It may be that I could tune the NAS to improve performance - it only has 5400rpm drives for example, albeit they are both 8Tb so an approximately 7TB real working capacity. However the cost of faster drives would probably add little to the speed in reality.

I tried direct connection to the router via a mains cable network adapter and that resulted in MUCH slower speeds than Wi-Fi. I suspect a problem with the set up or the house wiring but have not had an opportunity to take enough time to make a useful test for that apparent problem. Setting up for a direct cable connection is not really possible without significantly altering the location at which the broadband supply arrives in the building. It's difficult to justify going to that level of effort and cost!

Grant

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BeO

2018年06月04日 04:59

My Dell used to be a M4500 and was maxed out with 8 GB. Replacing the spinning HDD with an SSD (catalog locally) improved C1 performance signficantly but the limited RAM spoiled the party for the increasing no. of images anyhow.

My NAS with HDDs serves as a backup store now, and with 1 GBit LAN it is good for that purpose. I remember when I used the mobile workstation and raw files on NAS I also used Wifi via router.

I remember that (Ethernet setting on the NAS) enabling jumbo frames / increasing the MTU value significantly improved the user experience, but all components in the line needs to support this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbo_frame

Now I have all files locally and won't go back, especially starting and closing C1 was a real pain.

I have upgraded to v11 now, anticipate working with the new tools. I assume v12 is not too far away (which would somehow explain the upgrade voucher), let's see what v12 brings for windows users ...

Cheers,
BeO

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WPNL

2018年06月04日 05:32

Grant, you should check if the cables are CAT5E at least. And all hardware between should be at least 1Gb. The HD's are probably around 120Mb/s, which is workable but still not fast. One element (NIC / cable / switch) with 100Mb/s or even worse, 10Mb/s kills performance immediately. 😊

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Permanently deleted user

2018年06月04日 08:48

[quote="SFA" wrote:
I tried direct connection to the router via a mains cable network adapter and that resulted in MUCH slower speeds than Wi-Fi. I suspect a problem with the set up or the house wiring but have not had an opportunity to take enough time to make a useful test for that apparent problem. Setting up for a direct cable connection is not really possible without significantly altering the location at which the broadband supply arrives in the building. It's difficult to justify going to that level of effort and cost!

Grant

What router is it? A few years back I tested Sky, Talktalk, BT, Virgin and EE routers. Only Virgin and EE had hardware serious enough to cope with the modern world. Could be different for current models, but I haven't seen new consumer installations that performed much better yet.

I actually run my network with 3 routers hacked together. Superhub 2 takes the Virgin cable in and breaks down to guest WiFis, then 25m Cat6e to my older Superhub 1 retrofitted as a gigabit switch (where my server and docking station connects to), and that is linked to a 2015 EE router with WiFi AC that someone binned up the road.

It's far from elegant, but it works remarkably well for a recycled setup. Wherever I connect my laptop, be it WiFi ac or n, 100Base-t or 1000Base-t cable connections, I get full throughput and negligible latency even when the two housemates are going at it.

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