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FUJI X-1 PRO

Giulio Favotto
Hi
i own Capture One with my P45+ digital back.
I'd like to use it with my new Fujifilm X-1 pro... I saw FujiFilm x100 files are already supported, do you think that x-1 files will be supported soon?

thanks
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  • jknights
    I have put in an Support Case for an Enhancement of Capture Pro to support the Fuji XPro1 RAW files.

    If you do the same it will hopefully gain some additional focus and weight.
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  • Ario
    I have already submitted my support case to Capture One.
    Ario
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  • Giulio Favotto
    Done it. thx
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  • Giulio Favotto
    X-1 raw support is now available in Lightroom and Camera Raw....
    Will it be available in C1 soon?

    thanks
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="Giulio Favotto" wrote:
    Will it be available in C1 soon?

    Nobody here knows, Giulio - and even if they did, they wouldn't say anything.
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  • Nicolas
    In the meantime, have you tried to convert your FUJI X-1 PRO files to DNG with Adobe DNG converter?
    This is what I do with my Pentax 645D files (though I've no real hope that Phase will do something for these PEF files ☹️
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  • jknights
    I would suggest that you use the Fuji RAW Converter EX that ships with the camera rather than using the poxy DNG converter.
    Alternatively use DCRAW from Dave Coffin and convert to TIFF and work on those.

    DNG is the nastiest lie every sold/given to people. I think that Adobe deserve to be pilloried for that lie. 🤬
    If you want to get lower quality images then use DNG conversion or shoot JPG so much easier.
    If DNG is a lossless conversion from the RAW file what are they throwing away that we dont know about. 👿
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  • Nicolas
    [quote="jknights" wrote:
    I would suggest that you use the Fuji RAW Converter EX that ships with the camera rather than using the poxy DNG converter.
    Alternatively use DCRAW from Dave Coffin and convert to TIFF and work on those.

    DNG is the nastiest lie every sold/given to people. I think that Adobe deserve to be pilloried for that lie. 🤬
    If you want to get lower quality images then use DNG conversion or shoot JPG so much easier.
    If DNG is a lossless conversion from the RAW file what are they throwing away that we dont know about. 👿

    With such statements, you should explain scientifically your meanings!
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  • Keith Reeder
    What a lot of rubbish there about DNG.

    I've done hundreds of like-for-like comparisons of DNGs against native Raw files, and there's no IQ difference whatsoever in conversions from each.

    What "lie" has Adobe told about DNG? Because everything I've seen said by Adobe about DNG has proven to be bang-on true.

    DNG is lossless (unless you choose lossy conversion), and the smaller file sizes are purely down to efficient compression routines, which have no impact on IQ, and often a different size of embedded preview jpeg.

    You've clearly been hanging around with the anti-DNG Bibble zealots too long - they've always talked a lot of drivel about DNG too.
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  • Ario
    [quote="Nicolas" wrote:
    In the meantime, have you tried to convert your FUJI X-1 PRO files to DNG with Adobe DNG converter?
    This is what I do with my Pentax 645D files (though I've no real hope that Phase will do something for these PEF files ☹️

    You can convert to DNG but then opening the DNG into CO will make it evident tat the X1Pro files are (not yet) supported.
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  • Nicolas
    [quote="Ario" wrote:
    [quote="Nicolas" wrote:
    In the meantime, have you tried to convert your FUJI X-1 PRO files to DNG with Adobe DNG converter?
    This is what I do with my Pentax 645D files (though I've no real hope that Phase will do something for these PEF files ☹️

    You can convert to DNG but then opening the DNG into CO will make it evident tat the X1Pro files are (not yet) supported.

    Hi Ario
    I believe you, but I feel this quite strange as the Pentax 645D files are NOT supported by C1 but I can work on them when converted to DNG and the IQ is much better than the same PEF or PEF DNGed in LR4.
    The only thing I can't do -and this is a great loss for me- is the lens correction (CA, barrel etc.) but the fabulous C1 perspective corrector works like a charm (as well as all other C1 features).
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  • Ario
    Nicolas,
    There is a difference, which I believe is substantial, The Fuji X1 Pro sensor has got a non-Bayer CFA which has to be taken into account when demosaicing the raw file, no matter if it is in the DNG format.
    I tested to import into CO the DNG version of the X1 pro file and the result is a purplish image heavily pixellated, totally unusable.
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  • Giulio Favotto
    Thankyou everyone.
    I'm using the RAW Converter given by FUJI but... it's ugly.
    I tried the new version, downloaded from silkypix website... but it seems even worst.

    I'm considering using Lightroom.
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  • Ario
    Unfortunately the raw support provided by ACR/LR for the X1 Pro files is not the best I have seen.
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  • Nicolas
    [quote="Ario" wrote:
    Nicolas,
    There is a difference, which I believe is substantial, The Fuji X1 Pro sensor has got a non-Bayer CFA which has to be taken into account when demosaicing the raw file, no matter if it is in the DNG format.
    I tested to import into CO the DNG version of the X1 pro file and the result is a purplish image heavily pixellated, totally unusable.

    Ok, I understand now…
    While Phase is undoubtedly working hard to get your camera supported, you should try http://www.iridientdigital.com/products ... loper.html
    they have a fully functional demo (it only embeds "demo" on the output file but you can see the result in PS or other PP software.
    Who knows!
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  • Ario
    Nicolas,
    The X1-Pro is not in the list of the cameras supported by Iridient, which btw uses dcraw to decode the raw files (as several others) and dcraw does not support this camera yet.
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  • Clemens Schwaighofer
    The X-pro1 has such a different sensor that supporting it will take quite some time (especially because I guess Fuji is not really helping them out with some detail specs).

    You can read more about this problem on the Chromasoft blog: http://chromasoft.blogspot.jp/2012/06/f ... kypix.html
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  • jknights
    [quote="Ario" wrote:
    Nicolas,
    The X1-Pro is not in the list of the cameras supported by Iridient, which btw uses dcraw to decode the raw files (as several others) and dcraw does not support this camera yet.

    There is a beta of DCRAW that does a very good job of converting RAF files to TIFF Files which can then be edited in Photoshop.
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  • jknights
    Still no sign of a Capture Pro upgrade that provides Fuji XPro1 support.
    ☹️
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  • Giulio Favotto
    So bad!!!
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  • Oliver Gemperle
    What I don'd understand: Why can't the guys from Capture One post an information if they will solve the issue. Even better would be a date which the x-pro users can mark in their calendars, no?

    Thanks in advance!
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  • Drew Altdo
    [quote="NNN634330179264543949" wrote:
    What I don'd understand: Why can't the guys from Capture One post an information if they will solve the issue. Even better would be a date which the x-pro users can mark in their calendars, no?

    Thanks in advance!


    I think if you review the Forum you'll see that we're pretty liberal with information where it can be provided, with the exception of release dates. If we can provide information we'd be happy to update you but if we cannot, we cannot.

    I apologize if your frustrated.
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  • Oliver Gemperle
    In the meantime I got the information from CO-support that the x-pro 1 is "on the request-list".

    That sounds promising!!!

    I'm sure the integration will make lots of customers happy.
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  • jknights
    [quote="NNN634330179264543949" wrote:
    In the meantime I got the information from CO-support that the x-pro 1 is "on the request-list".

    That sounds promising!!!

    I'm sure the integration will make lots of customers happy.


    Yes I requested it back in March2012!!!
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  • Ario
    I dont know if this is the case for Phase One, but many "raw developers" are staying away from this unconventional raw file for which apparently it is not easy to find out an algorithm for demosaicing good enough for their standard.
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  • jknights
    [quote="Ario" wrote:
    I dont know if this is the case for Phase One, but many "raw developers" are staying away from this unconventional raw file for which apparently it is not easy to find out an algorithm for demosaicing good enough for their standard.

    That is laziness and incompetence rather than anything difficult about the RAW file layout. It is just not standard Bayer which everyone knows how to do.
    The americanism of JFDI springs to mind. 👿


    See here for discussions of the demosaicing.
    http://chromasoft.blogspot.com.es/2012/ ... trans.html
    http://chromasoft.blogspot.com.es/2012/ ... art-2.html
    http://chromasoft.blogspot.com.es/2012/ ... art-3.html

    In addition Dave Coffin has produced as usual way ahead of the rest a version of DCRAW that supports the sensor.
    This is one man alone. If he can do then PhaseOne certainly can, if they dont know how then they have deep enough pockets to hire in Dave Coffin for consultancy on a daily rate. 😂

    I dont do excuses, only rationale.
    If PhaseOne dont think there are enough users out there who want the RAW support for the XPro1 then that is different situation as then we need to chase marketing, not engineering.
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  • Ario
    I'm following since the beginning all this matter everywhere it is being discussed (including Sandy's blog and Sean Reid evaluations) quite closely and I had also some private exchange of view with Dave. My comment was not just based on nothing.
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  • jknights
    [quote="Ario" wrote:
    I'm following since the beginning all this matter everywhere it is being discussed (including Sandy's blog and Sean Reid evaluations) quite closely and I had also some private exchange of view with Dave. My comment was not just based on nothing.

    Since we see each other in other forums as well 😉

    However I do think that we should be seeing beta support from CPro sometime soon (completely guess and wishful thinking).
    The CP team are usually very good at getting these out. I know Fuji sensors tend to be more exotic than Canon or Nikon but CPro dev team are very good as well. We can see that in the current product and there is very little to compare with it except Bibble5/Aftershot Pro but that has different features more suited to general work while the Capture Pro product is more suited to working professionals and studio use.

    I was recently discussing with a wedding photographer who has moved almost completely from using his Nikons to two XPro1 units.
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  • Ario
    (our) World is pretty small. 😉
    I am a faithful user of Capture One since many, many years and I have a lot of confidence in the capabilities of their development team.
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  • jknights
    [quote="jknights" wrote:
    [quote="NNN634330179264543949" wrote:
    In the meantime I got the information from CO-support that the x-pro 1 is "on the request-list".

    That sounds promising!!!

    I'm sure the integration will make lots of customers happy.


    Yes I requested it back in March2012!!!



    In fact I just checked my Cases on PhaseOne Tech Support.
    Original request was in January 2012 !!
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