Canon 7D Mark II profile?
Do you know if the profile for the 7D Mark II will be released in an update soon?
Thanks, Andy
Thanks, Andy
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We'll know when it happens, Andy - not before. Phase One does not pre-announce. 0 -
[quote="NN8899721" wrote:
Do you know if the profile for the 7D Mark II will be released in an update soon?
Thanks, Andy
Yes, Andy,
Today.
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Ma ... One-8.aspx0 -
Great news! Just updated! 0 -
Fun night for me - I've just installed Lr 5.7 and I'm downloading 8.0.2 as we speak: it'll be interesting to see which one my 7D Mk II likes the best... 0 -
what's the outcome? (i'm going for a C1 win here..) 0 -
Well as it happens I didn't get out with my camera, so I had no "proper" images to test (I'd aleady deleted the stuff I'd shot at the weekend - mainly a football (soccer) game) but I did some quick-and-dirty high ISO (10,000 ISO, 1/40 @ f/2.8 stuff - "available dark") noise tests from around the house.
And - as has been the case for quite a while now - Capture One stomps all over Lr at high ISO.
I'll get out with the camera tomorrow and have a proper look at what the two converters can do then...0 -
got hold of some 7D2 files at ISO3200, and have to say, very impressed with how it looks 😄
got any examples of Lr vs C1?0 -
Not yet, Bob - the rugby game I'll probably shoot isn't until 2:30 this pm.
Weather's pretty grey here today too, and to be honest I want to test the 7D Mk II in good light (I already own a 70D, so I've already got an idea of what to expect IQ-wise - the 7D Mk II is broadly similar, so this will be an AF/functionality test as much as anything); depending on how the light is, it might not happen today.0 -
Oh ok. I can't wait to get my hands on one (hopefully next week when i visit FoCal). I won't actually be getting mine until mid December.
Hoping that it won't have the AF problems that some people are experiencing ..0 -
Ever Canon crop camera I've ever owned - 30D, 40D, 7D, 70D and now 7D Mk II - has had reports of supposed AF problems, and I've not had a single AF problem with any of them.
Back when I was motivated to do so, I used to get very involved, on many of the main photography forums out there, with helping people trouble-shoot these claims.
Almost without exception the problems boiled down to user error (the 7D Mk II ain't a camera to start shooting challenging subject matter with until you understand it completely - the AF guide alone is 51 pages long!) and/or ridiculous expectations.
The number of "issues" that could definitively be traced back to a faulty camera was tiny.
It's a given that with any production-line commodity, there will be an occasional lemon: but I'll bet you pounds to pennies that the 7D Mk II is no more "inherently flawed" in AF terms than any other camera.
Mine's crazy good.0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
Almost without exception the problems boiled down to user error (the 7D Mk II ain't a camera to start shooting challenging subject matter with until you understand it completely - the AF guide alone is 51 pages long!) and/or ridiculous expectations.
Yeah that's my feelings on most of the people posting the problems, but there are quite a few who own the 1DX and 5D3 that claim to get stuff in focus and then they change to the 7D2 and it fails..
I prefer to make my own judgement on gear.0 -
Well as I'd expected, the AF is stellar, Bob - even though I've no doubt that I need to finesse my my AF choices, I had more (and sharper) sharp images from one half of the game I shot yesterday than I usually get from an entire match with my other bodies.
But because 8.0.2 is still completely unreliable for me, locking up irrevocably after whichever arbitrary and unpredictable (but low) number of conversions it decides to perform, I can't comment on how it compares with Lr.
Lr does at least reliably work for me...0 -
Great that your 7D2 is working as advertise, shame that 8.0.2 isn't stable for you though ☹️ 0 -
Keith,
Last time I can recall you mentioning this I thought you had a sort of solution using a different user account. Is that no longer the case?
I now have 8.0.2 running on Win7 Pro and it's fine. The only glitches I seem to get involve the external USB 3 drives which appear to have a low power mode that they invoke from time to time so if I have a session open that is using one of those drives and have not touched it for a while when I go back to it it looks like it is not responding for a few seconds until the drive wakes up fully.
With 8.0.1 I had an odd situation whereby shutting down C1 left the EXE orphaned and so I could not restart V8 without killing the process. It was not like that at first though so something happened after it was installed. It turned out that setting OpenCL to Never (for Display) solved the problem. So far as I can tell 8.0.2 does not have the issue. Whether that is because it is an update installation or something else somewhere (windows? C1?) has been fixed I don't know.
I may as well leave OpenCL off - the GPU is not rated powerful enough to oust the CPU from processing!
However I have installed an internal mSATA SSD additional to the main SSD and performance with that used as the data drive, despite nominally lower SATA bus speeds than the main drive (based on the machine spec), is excellent.
I'm very interested to hear how you get on the with the 7D2. I had no intention of being especially interested in it other than from a technical point of view but the more I read about it the more interesting it looks. The weather proofing is of special interest. I have regularly abused my 1D3 with heavy rain exposure and no ill effects. I think when I change bodies it may be hard to break the habit should it be necessary to do so!
That said it sounds like one may need a SuperPHD level mental capacity and a couple of weeks of solid experimentation to get the AF fine tuned to one's liking and optimum results for each shooting situation.
If you can tolerate any operational frustrations for a couple of images I would love to know your views on how C1 processes the 7D2 files.
Good luck.
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The "other user account" thing is still a workaround, Grant; but - given how good 7D Mk II files look out of Lightroom (most of what I shoot isn't at very high ISO) and out of Photo Ninja - I can't really see the case for faffing around with user accounts just in order to use Capture One, especially as I'm getting rather tired of Capture One's orange-biased camera profiles.
Both alternative converters are solid as a rock in my "default" user account, as is Optics Pro 10, which will deliver outstanding results once it supports the 7D Mk II. So - as of right now - Capture One is more of an inconvenience than anything else...0 -
Thank you both, Keith and Grant, for your knowledgeable contributions.
I am running 8.0.1. I will stick to this for the moment, on the principle that if it works don't fix it (I don't need 8.0.2. I can't afford a 7D2 having just bought a 5D2, which I am delighted with.)
In my hands (Win 7 Pro) 8.0.1 has a small problem with the Exposure Evaluation tool, in that when I use the tool it slows down the mouse-over facility of User Styles virtually to a standstill. A support request has been closed, unresolved. Cap1 does seem to have its fair share of oddities.
I note Keith's comment on a magenta cast in Cap1 outputs. I don't see this with my 7D and Cap1, but boy does DxO 10 overdo the reds from my 7D! So I have made my own DxO presets to overcome this.
In Cap1, in the absence of a customisable preset-type option that is applied automatically to all raws (as in DxO) I have adapted the User Styles tool. Is there a way in Cap1 to do this automatically, do you know? Thank you.
My current workflow, for what its worth, is to convert raws in Cap1 starting with the "no colour correction" profile to build landscape colours myself, output as tifs to DxO for final tweaking (especially with the Smart Lighting and Clearview tools), and then Adobe CC to access various plugins. I find this keeps me out of trouble from overdoing things in Cap1, while retaining the fundamental Cap1 tonal "look" which, with my 5D2, has a 3D feel to it.
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[quote="Peter" wrote:
In Cap1, in the absence of a customisable preset-type option that is applied automatically to all raws (as in DxO) I have adapted the User Styles tool. Is there a way in Cap1 to do this automatically, do you know? Thank you.
My current workflow, for what its worth, is to convert raws in Cap1 starting with the "no colour correction" profile to build landscape colours myself, output as tifs to DxO for final tweaking (especially with the Smart Lighting and Clearview tools), and then Adobe CC to access various plugins. I find this keeps me out of trouble from overdoing things in Cap1, while retaining the fundamental Cap1 tonal "look" which, with my 5D2, has a 3D feel to it.
Peter
You can set the defaults for each camera. That way you decide what the starting point of your picture is.
You set it from each tool (the 3 small dots in the upper right corner of each tool)0 -
[quote="Peter" wrote:
Thank you both, Keith and Grant, for your knowledgeable contributions.
I am running 8.0.1. I will stick to this for the moment, on the principle that if it works don't fix it (I don't need 8.0.2. I can't afford a 7D2 having just bought a 5D2, which I am delighted with.)
In my hands (Win 7 Pro) 8.0.1 has a small problem with the Exposure Evaluation tool, in that when I use the tool it slows down the mouse-over facility of User Styles virtually to a standstill. A support request has been closed, unresolved. Cap1 does seem to have its fair share of oddities.
Peter,
I am running 8.0.2 which seems to have resolved a small inconvenience I found in 8.0.1 which had a rather obscure source. Whether there has been a code change or the update installation has tidied up some of the files introduced by usage I can't say but the problem seems to have gone.
That means I can't check your Exposure Evaluation tool experience and I don't use it (or presets often) in my normal workflow. However running a quick experiment with 8.0.2 on my Canon files does not seem to cause any performance problems using presets or styles. Obviously I can't know whether what I am doing is equivalent to what you are doing and I may be working with smaller files but in a brief test nothing I tried suggested any notable, let alone serious, slowing of re-rendering times.
If you have OpenCL turned on for Display you might want to turn it off to see if it makes any difference. I think Phase are working at the very sharp end of development with OpenCL and are right to do so, in my opinion, but we need to be aware that the generic feature itself is not yet fully mature in the marketplace and thus sometimes the opportunity to turn it off is very welcome. It's a quick and easy setting to change and test so always worth trying.
HTH.
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Thank you Christian. I have not "seen" this use of the tool tab before. So, if I don't set a specific default per camera these settings are always in Cap1 default mode? I think so.
Then, if I make and save some special settings for my 7D, all these settings are activated when Cap1 finds a 7D raw file? I think so - the Online Guide says so. This combination of settings is the equivalent of a DxO preset? I think so.
Then, if I want to start again with different tool settings for the same camera, what do I do? Does each combination of settings have its own name? Can I reset all the settings to the Cap1 default in one click? I don't know. Can you tell me where this is in the Online Guide?
Thank you.
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Thank you Christian. I have not "seen" this use of the tool tab before. So, if I don't set a specific default per camera these settings are always in Cap1 default mode? I think so.
CorrectThen, if I make and save some special settings for my 7D, all these settings are activated when Cap1 finds a 7D raw file? I think so - the Online Guide says so. This combination of settings is the equivalent of a DxO preset? I think so.
Correct. Dunno about DxO, as it not my strong side.Then, if I want to start again with different tool settings for the same camera, what do I do? Does each combination of settings have its own name? Can I reset all the settings to the Cap1 default in one click? I don't know. Can you tell me where this is in the Online Guide?
If you use a lot of different settings, I think creating a style would be better for you. When you have your favorite settings, copy them, go to the Adjustments tool tab, press the Plus in the Styles and Presets tool, save, and use.
To recap:- New Defaults applies to all images from a specific camera, can be defined pr tool
- Presets are saved adjustments values saved and loaded per tool, can hold multiple presets
- Styles include all selected adjustments. Multiple styles can be created, and even stacked on top of each other.
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Thanks again Christian. I expect all this is simple stuff to you and your colleagues in Phase. But to me so much flexibility is quite challenging - on a par with the AF options on the 7D2, perhaps!
I have copied and printed your "Recap" section. I will give it a whirl.
Peter0
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