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Crop "Apply" button and UI settings question

User Name
When I crop where is the apply button? The only way to actual complete the crop for me is to click on another tool which then completes the crop and bring the cropped image to it's proper size but if I want to slightly alter the crop and see the results quickly that method takes too long. How can I complete the crop without switching tools? Pressing enter just selects the photo as a compare version or something useless to me.

Also updating from 8.1 to 8.2 reset all my custom UI changes. I had all the tool tabs customized exactly how I wanted them for my workflow yet the update reset everything to it's default look. Will every update reset the UI?

And how do I get rid of the CaptureOne Settings folder that appears in every one of my picture folders? Dang I hate those folders which ruin the order of my folders.
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  • VirtualRain
    I also found this a bit disconcerting when I switched from Aperture to C1... I was use to setting crop boundaries and hitting return. Of course, in C1 that doesn't work. The first thing I did was unmap the return key from compare variant or whatever the default is so that when I inadvertently hit return after setting a crop I wasn't getting this odd behaviour. Then I just got in the habit of clicking the pointer control or hitting the v-key to apply the crop. To better aid getting the right crop in the first place, adjust the crop preferences to darken the opacity of the mask... I use 75% but you can go darker and then it's more obvious what your crop will look like before you commit by changing tools.

    As for it resetting your workspace layout... Once you get a layout you like, save your workspace, then it's a simple matter to restore it in the future.

    I can't help you with the last point (I store my images in the Catalog)
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  • sizzlingbadger
    The CaptureOne Settings folder that appears in every one of your picture folders is a required component for "sessions". If you use a catalog instead you won't have these as the data will be stored in the catalog instead.
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  • SFA
    [quote="User Name" wrote:
    When I crop where is the apply button? The only way to actual complete the crop for me is to click on another tool which then completes the crop and bring the cropped image to it's proper size but if I want to slightly alter the crop and see the results quickly that method takes too long. How can I complete the crop without switching tools? Pressing enter just selects the photo as a compare version or something useless to me.



    How about H for the "hand" tool - safe from any accidental changes and might be useful if you are zoomed in.

    "C" to go back to the crop mode.

    No clicking required.

    Any other tool that has a single key access would work too of course ...


    Grant
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  • User Name
    Thanks for the suggestions.

    I can't believe that after so many versions there isn't a button to apply the crop. Having to switch to a different tool then switch back to the crop tool to apply the crop is ridiculous and quite stupid. And having the captureone folders appear in all my folders in my photo collection is really annoying too and they should come up with a better solution since I don't even use sessions. Lightroom looks at my photo library, applies the changes and keeps the changes in one lightroom file yet captureone finds it necessary to place folders all over the place.

    The raw converter and image quality is outstanding but so many versions in a row hang on close requiring a force quit, have ridiculous UI issues like no crop button and bugs and it's just getting so annoying.
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  • SFA
    Seems logical to me.

    If you are in the crop tool you are in the crop tool and it provides the information and functionality you need for cropping.

    You have a one key toggle to a different view using a "tool" that is primarily a set of options for navigating around an image - so basically a view with controls - pretty much what one might want if toggling out of an active crop screen to a passive crop presentation screen.

    You don't have to "Apply" the crop at all - it's done for you so there is no point if having an "apply" button that would just duplicate what you can already achieve.

    If you don't use catalogs you do use a session, even if you don't know it.

    For those people, like myself, who do use sessions broadly as they were conceived to be used, having the folders that provide all of the edit instructions contained withing the session folder structure is just about ideal for making everything self contained and easy to manage for archiving.

    If you want one file use a catalog which, as I recall, is what Lightroom requires you to use - something that I did not find helpful when I used it at its version 1 iteration.

    I would guess that your many version in a row requiring a force close could be rectified quite easily. It's likely to be data connected with the session information. Some small glitch of some sort - the sort of thing that happens with computers from time to time. Have you tried raising a Support Case to get some help to identify the cause and fix it? If not you really should - it would be one less frustration for you.


    HTH.


    Grant
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  • HansB
    There is no "Apply" button in the crop tool because there is no need to have one. And you also don't need to switch tools to apply it. Draw your crop, and it is done. You also don't have "Apply" buttons on other tools, like "Rotate", and all the sliders, right? And, do you miss them? "Keystone" on the other hand has a "Apply" button, but only because it's necessary.

    So why adding an extra action here, introducing a useless "Apply" button?

    Pull the crop you want across your image and it's done. Why you still see the full image? Because you are in the crop tool view. You need it to draw new, bigger crops, or move your crop around. So it would not be helpfull to have a cropped view in here. Any other tool than "Crop","Keystone" and "Rotate" is showing the cropped part that you have chosen, and it makes perfect sense to me.


    Regrads,
    Hans
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  • User Name
    Hans, there is an extra action either way. Once you made the crop you still have to switch tools to make it go back to the default viewing size. If I'm trying to crop out just the edge of something that got into the frame I need to make a few quick crops making the photo smaller only a tiny bit at a time and to do that and see the photo outside of the crop view I have to switch tools and switch back which makes no sense and even the enter key cannot be used to apply the crop. There is no way to leave crop view mode and making further cropping adjustments without switching tools which makes no sense.
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  • H. Cremers
    [quote="User Name" wrote:
    Hans, there is an extra action either way. Once you made the crop you still have to switch tools to make it go back to the default viewing size. If I'm trying to crop out just the edge of something that got into the frame I need to make a few quick crops making the photo smaller only a tiny bit at a time and to do that and see the photo outside of the crop view I have to switch tools and switch back which makes no sense and even the enter key cannot be used to apply the crop.


    Well, there is a designated key, it's 'v', or clicking on another tool. It isn't the 'Enter' key, but then again, this isn't Aperture 😊

    [quote="User Name" wrote:
    There is no way to leave crop view mode and making further cropping adjustments without switching tools which makes no sense.


    I'm having trouble understanding what you are saying here. Do you mean to say you want to be able to crop without being in crop mode?
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  • User Name
    [quote="HCS" wrote:
    [quote="User Name" wrote:
    Hans, there is an extra action either way. Once you made the crop you still have to switch tools to make it go back to the default viewing size. If I'm trying to crop out just the edge of something that got into the frame I need to make a few quick crops making the photo smaller only a tiny bit at a time and to do that and see the photo outside of the crop view I have to switch tools and switch back which makes no sense and even the enter key cannot be used to apply the crop.


    Well, there is a designated key, it's 'v', or clicking on another tool. It isn't the 'Enter' key, but then again, this isn't Aperture 😊

    [quote="User Name" wrote:
    There is no way to leave crop view mode and making further cropping adjustments without switching tools which makes no sense.


    I'm having trouble understanding what you are saying here. Do you mean to say you want to be able to crop without being in crop mode?


    I want to be able to exit crop view and then crop again without having to switch tools. For example: I crop then exit crop view to see the image at normal size then make another crop. Right now that's not possible without switching tools so I have to click the crop tool, crop, then click another tool to exit crop view, then click the crop tool again to make another crop. I'm asking if there is a way to exit crop view and keep the crop tool selected which in other programs is the enter key.
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  • ncbp
    [quote="User Name" wrote:

    I want to be able to exit crop view and then crop again without having to switch tools. For example: I crop then exit crop view to see the image at normal size then make another crop. Right now that's not possible without switching tools so I have to click the crop tool, crop, then click another tool to exit crop view, then click the crop tool again to make another crop. I'm asking if there is a way to exit crop view and keep the crop tool selected which in other programs is the enter key.

    As suggested a few posts above, pressing "v" will exit crop mode, and pressing "c" would re-enter crop mode and functionally accomplish what you want. If you could think of the the Select tool ("v") as a kind of default mode you use when you want to "deactivate" other tools to look at the result, that might help; it will still not be exactly as what you are used to though.

    /ncbp
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  • User Name
    [quote="ncbp" wrote:
    [quote="User Name" wrote:

    I want to be able to exit crop view and then crop again without having to switch tools. For example: I crop then exit crop view to see the image at normal size then make another crop. Right now that's not possible without switching tools so I have to click the crop tool, crop, then click another tool to exit crop view, then click the crop tool again to make another crop. I'm asking if there is a way to exit crop view and keep the crop tool selected which in other programs is the enter key.

    As suggested a few posts above, pressing "v" will exit crop mode, and pressing "c" would re-enter crop mode and functionally accomplish what you want. If you could think of the the Select tool ("v") as a kind of default mode you use when you want to "deactivate" other tools to look at the result, that might help; it will still not be exactly as what you are used to though.

    /ncbp


    Yeah I'm going to try the "v" "c" thing tonight and see if that makes it easier.
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  • HansB
    So if I now understand you right, you are using your procedure to verify or preview your crop. Then the easiest way is to use the keyboard shortcuts mentioned. And it does not really make a difference to have "Apply" / "Undo" instead of "v" / "c".

    Regards,
    Hans
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