Output sharpening in C1 7 Pro?
In LR you can apply sharpening (input) to the raw file. When you export and e.g. resize for web you can add output sharpening in the export dialogue. It then applies the sharpening after resizing for web which is nice since so much data gets thrown away when you turn a huge raw file into a web sized jpg. It tends to soften and a little output sharpening after resizing does the trick.
Is there a similar feature in C1 that I haven't found? Sharpening works great with the raw file but surely there must be a "after resize output sharpening algorithm" hidden somewhere??
Is there a similar feature in C1 that I haven't found? Sharpening works great with the raw file but surely there must be a "after resize output sharpening algorithm" hidden somewhere??
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[quote="michaelbs" wrote:
Is there a similar feature in C1 that I haven't found? Sharpening works great with the raw file but surely there must be a "after resize output sharpening algorithm" hidden somewhere??
In a word, no.0 -
What a bummer!
What do you guys do then? Accept fluffy web pics or turn to other software for web-resize-sharpening.0 -
Resize for output, then sharpen is indeed the recommended workflow as per the Capture One documentation.
Can you do it in Capture One? No.
Go figure.
Off to other software.
Cheers,
Mogens0 -
[quote="michaelbs" wrote:
What a bummer!
What do you guys do then? Accept fluffy web pics or turn to other software for web-resize-sharpening.
The latter, Michael - but it's not a major crisis for me because when I've used converted in Capture One I'm not at the end of my workflow, so I'd be visiting PhotoShop anyway.
I agree though - Lightroom's ability here is really useful, and I can export a finished article from Lr in a way which isn't possible for me from Capture One.0 -
I would say to this that C1P isn't really designed for these tasks - as it doesn't have the ebook, (proper) web gallery, printing, setups that LR has. Mostly its tether or import images, adjust the raw file then output to tiff to PS or jpgs for clients to review. I use LR and Bridge quite often to batch common image tasks that C1P can't really do and I'm fine with it. Make contact sheets, add watermarks, web galleries, batch process with PS actions, etc. Just as I don't expect C1P to handle anything nearly as complicated as what I use PS for. 0 -
Dunno about that, Edward - if Capture One has the ability to resize files, why shouldn't it also have the ability to sharpen the resized files?
Yes, I can sharpen them PS - but I can resize them there too. So it makes little sense to provide one these functions "that can be done somewhere else" and not the other, especially when resize and resharpen are so inextricably linked; and especially because Capture One uses a resizing algorithm which seems specially designed to kill sharpness and fine detail.
I really don't like Capture One's resizing algorithm...0 -
I don't think its a big deal, different tasks for different programs. See PO tried to make a web gallery and we see how that turned out. Imagine sending that to a client? I would never. So I recommend using LR or Bridge for tasks that it is designer for. C1P does great for tethering & raw conversions - in my opinion. I'd be happy if they left it at that.
It seems you don't like alot of C1P - then why post here?0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
Dunno about that, Edward - if Capture One has the ability to resize files, why shouldn't it also have the ability to sharpen the resized files?
Yes, I can sharpen them PS - but I can resize them there too. So it makes little sense to provide one these functions "that can be done somewhere else" and not the other, especially when resize and resharpen are so inextricably linked; and especially because Capture One uses a resizing algorithm which seems specially designed to kill sharpness and fine detail.
I really don't like Capture One's resizing algorithm...
I just made numerous resized web pics 1600x1200 in C1. Did the same in LR5 with output sharpen enabled. I don't see much difference at 100% so I wouldn't say the C1 resizing algorithm is bad. Actually I'm pretty impressed with it.0 -
[quote="michaelbs" wrote:
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
Dunno about that, Edward - if Capture One has the ability to resize files, why shouldn't it also have the ability to sharpen the resized files?
Yes, I can sharpen them PS - but I can resize them there too. So it makes little sense to provide one these functions "that can be done somewhere else" and not the other, especially when resize and resharpen are so inextricably linked; and especially because Capture One uses a resizing algorithm which seems specially designed to kill sharpness and fine detail.
I really don't like Capture One's resizing algorithm...
I just made numerous resized web pics 1600x1200 in C1. Did the same in LR5 with output sharpen enabled. I don't see much difference at 100% so I wouldn't say the C1 resizing algorithm is bad. Actually I'm pretty impressed with it.
I have never felt I had an issue with any size adjusted C1 output either. Maybe I am not critical enough? Or maybe the images I have used have not themselves been ultra critical in terms of content.
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[quote="SFA" wrote:
I have never felt I had an issue with any size adjusted C1 output either.
This is a (throw-away) image resized in Capture One.
This is the same file (processed exactly the same prior to resizing), exported at full size and resized in PhotoShop CS6 using the basic Bicubic algorithm.
Look carefully, and you'll see that even this "soft" resizing algorithm generates a sharper, more detailed image. (Look, for example, at the diagonal yellow area just to the right of the letter "E" at bottom left of the image - this is a textured reflective plastic, and differences in the visibility of the texture are what you're looking for).
Same again, resized with Bicubic Sharper, which produces better detail again (if, in this image, at the expense of some aliasing).
The differences are obvious, and manifest as lost feather/fur detail (I'm a wildlife photographer, but I see the same loss of "micro-detail" in my moto-x and other motorsport images, as well as a lack of texture in the material of rugby players' jerseys, etc.); and a general - and very apparent - overall image softness.0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="SFA" wrote:
I have never felt I had an issue with any size adjusted C1 output either.
This is a (throw-away) image resized in Capture One.
This is the same file (processed exactly the same prior to resizing), exported at full size and resized in PhotoShop CS6 using the basic Bicubic algorithm.
Look carefully, and you'll see that even this "soft" resizing algorithm generates a sharper, more detailed image. (Look, for example, at the diagonal yellow area just to the right of the letter "E" at bottom left of the image - this is a textured reflective plastic, and differences in the visibility of the texture are what you're looking for).
Same again, resized with Bicubic Sharper, which produces better detail again (if, in this image, at the expense of some aliasing).
The differences are obvious, and manifest as lost feather/fur detail (I'm a wildlife photographer, but I see the same loss of "micro-detail" in my moto-x and other motorsport images, as well as a lack of texture in the material of rugby players' jerseys, etc.); and a general - and very apparent - overall image softness.
(And yes Edward, I'm expressing another opinion).
Do you export with or without sharpening disabled (the tick mark in the recipe) ?
Looking at your 3 examples, I think this is all very screen resolution dependent. A comment on your 3 examples is that the CO output has the least jagged edges of the 3. Especially the Bicubic sharper variant has some very pixelated edges in high contrast areas.
Have you tried playing with the parameter structure ?0
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