TIFF files round trip - previews generated?
I'm doing the round trip to create TIFF files for retouching (i.e.'edit with') and it seems to work fine. I can get back to my layered TIFF files in Photoshop easily with 'open with'. No problems there.
My issue is with how the TIFF files behave while in the C1 catalog.
My expectation is that a preview would be generated so that I can select, zoom into, pan around the image with the same relative ease as a RAW file for which a preview has been generated. This, unfortunately, is not the case at all.
Each time I even click on a TIFF file my system beach-balls for at least 15 seconds or more while my Mac chews on the TIFF file doing - who knows what. T
Is my expectation realistic that C1 should just be referencing a preview file for the purpose of dealing with the TIFF in C1? Is there perhaps a setting I am missing to help C1 deal with these files more reasonably while they are in the catalog?
Any advice very much appreciated -thanks!
My issue is with how the TIFF files behave while in the C1 catalog.
My expectation is that a preview would be generated so that I can select, zoom into, pan around the image with the same relative ease as a RAW file for which a preview has been generated. This, unfortunately, is not the case at all.
Each time I even click on a TIFF file my system beach-balls for at least 15 seconds or more while my Mac chews on the TIFF file doing - who knows what. T
Is my expectation realistic that C1 should just be referencing a preview file for the purpose of dealing with the TIFF in C1? Is there perhaps a setting I am missing to help C1 deal with these files more reasonably while they are in the catalog?
Any advice very much appreciated -thanks!
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Your expectation is realistic. I suggest you contact Support department as your behaviour sounds untypical to me. 0 -
As someone who uses the "round trip" functionality in 8.2 all the time I can say that I am not having the preview problems you mention. After sending an image to an external editor (using either the Edit With or Open With functionality) and then saving the image from the external editor my previews update almost immediately and represent the newly edited image. Interestingly enough is works so well that even if I edit and save an image (and see the update) and then do some additional editing in the external editor and re-save the image, the second update also works perfectly.
I was so pleased with how well the whole system worked that I chucked my Dxo Optics Pro workflow software and started using CaptureOne full time. It has been rock solid for me since I started using it.0 -
Mike are you saving layered TIFF files, or just single layer files?
I am saving multiple layers and having this issue. Is there perhaps a setting for TIFF in photoshop that perhaps you think I should turn on? Or in C1?
It's frustrating me quite a bit. Thanks!0 -
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Mike are you saving layered TIFF files, or just single layer files?
I am saving multiple layers and having this issue. Is there perhaps a setting for TIFF in photoshop that perhaps you think I should turn on? Or in C1?
It's frustrating me quite a bit. Thanks!
Ah. As they say, now it makes sense ...
To the best of my understanding CaptureOne only understands flat files and subsequently I have been flattening all of my files before saving them back to C1. In those cases when my external editor can not or does not flatten a tiff, that file can not be used (as is) in C1 and I have to then use Open With to send it to an external editor where I can flatten the file. Then, after re-saving the flattened file, I can use it in C1.
For example, C1 -> Edit With to Elements (or Photoshop) -> edit using layers -> flatten -> save back to C1 -> OK.
C1 -> Edit With to Perfect Photo Suite -> edit using layers -> save back to C1 (no flattening available) -> Open With in Photoshop -> flatten -> save back to C1 -> OK
Save thing as above with photoFXLab from C1 to use Topaz plugins.
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I am using the round trip functionality, too, but not very often. I have been working on 16 bit tiff from Canon raw, 'Edit with...' CO -> PS. I saved them as layered tiff in PS, background + 4 layers, returned to CO. It just worked fine, adjusting, cropping, everything works. And if I now 'Open with >' CO -> PS, it is still layered. There is no problem with opening that tiff in CO. No delays, no beachball spinning.
When saving tiffs, I only have pixel layers including transparency. Do you have trouble with tiff from PS? What kind of layers and masks do you use?
My only problem is, that on my mid 2009 MBP the thumbnail in CO's browser bar usually does not update completely. It does show the PS-saved image as a thumb, but only at a very(!) low resolution. Toggling to another image and back updates the thumbnail to the high resolution I see on all my images. But maybe this MBP is just too old and too slow.
Regards,
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Apparently this is my mistake.
I have been using a number of external editors (Perfect Photo Suite 8 and 9 and Topaz's photoFXLab) and all of the files saved back to C1 which contained more than a single layer were not usable in C1 until I loaded them into a pixel editor, flattened them and re-saved them. I made the mistake of thinking that the problem was the extra layers themselves rather than the way those editors saved those layered files.
Based on Hans' posting I went back and used Photoshop itself (well, Elements 13) and, sure enough, he is right. I was able to create a layered tiff, save it to C1 and it (C1) handled it properly.
My mistake and I apologize for the bad information.0 -
Hi Gents..
What I am doing is as follows, typically:
- Open RAW in C1. Make some modest adjustments
- Use Edit in: PS CC or PS CC14
- Use retouching workflow resulting in approx. 5 or 6 layers. These are usually 2-4 pixel layers (background, Low pass, high pass, and a flattened copy of all of these, then two curve layers with masks on top of those. So this example is 6 layers.
(resulting file is anywhere from 900mb to 1.2GB
- Save
- C1 renders a thumbnail for that image
- Clicking on that image results in a 20-30 second wait until a full resolution preview appears. C1 is locked while this goes on, can't do anything else
- Once the file appears, I can zoom, pan, etc without issue
- If I click on any other image (say, another RAW file) C1 runs as per normal showing those RAW files rather fast
- If I click back on that same layered TIFF file that I just left, the 20+ second wait repeats itself. It is at this point I think something is seriously wrong, because even if an initial high resolution preview took 20+ seconds to render, C1 should hang onto it and not require the image to be 'crunched on' again.
That being said, with this same layered TIFF file I can get it back into PS with all layers intact by using Open in: PS CC, which I believe is the normal flow.
I really don't want to flatten these files. I may need to go back in and tweak my retouches and need the layers to all survive this process.0 -
I got the same behaviour at my place. The support acknowledge this issue and should work on this.
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Each time I even click on a TIFF file my system beach-balls for at least 15 seconds or more while my Mac chews on the TIFF file doing - who knows what. T
Is my expectation realistic that C1 should just be referencing a preview file for the purpose of dealing with the TIFF in C1? Is there perhaps a setting I am missing to help C1 deal with these files more reasonably while they are in the catalog?
Any advice very much appreciated -thanks!0
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