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Anyone? Auto folders are driving me BANANAS!

Raffi Hadidian
Is there anyway to capture using C1 WITHOUT it making a mess in my folders?
I know it maybe a decent way for some to use with the standard names etc. But I can't have it dictate my workflow.
I need C1 to open and then to scroll to the exact folder I need the files to go in, NOT one within it....Without Output, Selects or anything else I can avoid. I actually don't mind the Trash, as it is handy to have as a recovery.

I'm open to any custom methods
Thanks!
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  • Drew Altdo
    [quote="Raffi3" wrote:
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    I need C1 to open and then to scroll to the exact folder I need the files to go in, NOT one within it...


    Can you not use the Library tool to find the folder you want to Capture to and then right click and choose "Set as Capture Folder"?
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  • SFA
    [quote="Raffi3" wrote:
    Is there anyway to capture using C1 WITHOUT it making a mess in my folders?
    I know it maybe a decent way for some to use with the standard names etc. But I can't have it dictate my workflow.
    I need C1 to open and then to scroll to the exact folder I need the files to go in, NOT one within it....Without Output, Selects or anything else I can avoid. I actually don't mind the Trash, as it is handy to have as a recovery.

    I'm open to any custom methods
    Thanks!



    Whilst I sympathise I found that when I realised that they are only folders and the structure helps should one want to move an entire shoot from, say, one disk so another, I decided I rather like the fact that most everything one might need is created as part of a session. So now I let C1 do the work for me though I don't recall ever using a selects folder so far and rarely trash since I tend to keep everything that does not deserve a full delete immediately.

    In fact using the C1 auto creation of folders is better than my original folder workflow, or so I found. You may not reap the same advantages if you are running a more sophisticated workflow than I was.

    Grant Perkins
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  • Raffi Hadidian
    Thanks for the reply Drew, and Grant,

    I don't necessarily like it, but I maybe OK with C1 making sessions since I can rename it when I setup the session...But they are not in hierarchy. they are all under one folder. Regardless it is hard to adjust to the way it does things everytime I have to switch using applications.

    I do the following manually before my shoots, or when I add another project to a clients folder:
    X:\Client\Subject\RAW\Processed\Focus\PSD\JPEG\JPEG_Email

    Either way, it is a bit of a mess and underlying frustrations with each time I approach working with it as I shoot with the Phase back less often, and shoot all other cam gear without C1...So I have to always adjust to a different way of working.

    I have given up on MediaPro as my DAM due to many files still not showing up or not filtering right, etc..., and oddly my favorite DAM ACDSee doesn't support IIQ files(THE ONLY FORMAT IT DOESN'T SUPPORT!!)
    So I purchased IDimager, but yet to make the transition complete as ACDSee is so easy to use and I know it well.
    SO ...LightRoom3 is the main middle man, as it surely isn't a DAM, but a "neutral" developer. (it doesn't make a mess of my folders)

    What I am saying is that in order to handle my day to day work, I need to use at least 4 pieces of software, and the OVERLAP of "folder managing" is just killing my workflow. Let the DAM do the DAM job, let Dev do the Dev. and any additions of folders and other ways of doing things is just confusion added. I multitask all the time, so I use different cameras and camera files, and throughout the same day I work on files that need C1 and files that need LR, BUT, I manage in DAM, and need the file folders LEFT ALONE.

    Somehow LR doesn't mess with my folders as it mirrors the File sturcture in place when you simply add catalogues(mirror links), although I don't tether-shoot with LR, so I don't know if that changes behavior.

    Can't we just turn OFF everything (except Trash) ? Let the sidecar file be in the same folder as the RAW? I don't even know what the cache or proxies files do. In the session setup, it should allow to make the folders in heirarchy. This would be a easy adjustment and help enough...likely for me.

    Thanks
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  • SFA
    Two observations that may or may not be useful at this time. They are based on my experiences of not getting to grips with C1's session setup options when I first started to use it. That resulted in some confusion and frustration until I realised that I could work differently. I'm much happier now (when I remember to think about what I am doing when importing images!)

    Firstly you can, when creating a session, set up the main session folder (I think that would be the CLIENT/SUBJECT folder in your case) wherever you want it to be.

    Secondly the way you have indicated you file structure strongly suggests it is hierarchical whereas the basic C1 default session structure is flat under the main folder. Either way you can still create folder to separate the files as you wish to have them arranged but personally I find a flatter structure better.

    At the moment I rarely used the selects folder or functionality but suspect I may start to embrace it a little in some situations. Trash is a potentially useful holding folder but in the main I either delete totally or keep but with a star rating to identify my assessment. remember that the offered Capture, Selects, Output and Trash folders are only defaults. You can create your own folders if you would prefer and choose which is to be used as the default for your immediate requirement changing that as often as you deem necessary.

    On uploading the files (usually via a card reader in my case but I do sometimes use tethered captures I will often create a subfolder for each camera and day, mainly to keep the folders to a managable number of files and so that any 'usual' processing for the camera is common to the whole set. It also menas that If I have forgotten to rename the files effectively on the way in I'm not going to have to deal with any duplicate names as the first step in the process!

    So I may end up with one additional layer in the folder where the files are captured, sometimes two, rarely 3 depending on the separation I decide to work with for that session.

    I work with the Output folder in a similar way. For each uploaded folder I may create one or more output folders depending on the outputs required. Usually I try to keeps this to a flat structure with the Output folder but if another level of folder hierarchy will help (large shoots over several days with several cameras) then I'll add additional sub-folders during the output process.

    However remember the session model is only a default. You can make a session construct from folders anywhere if you so wish. But to keep a whole shoot in one place for ease of archive management or moving from one storage location to another as a complete unit the session structure makes a lot of sense. For a start the cache and proxies(think processed thumbnails and sidecar edit files) will always be with the original images - just not cluttering up the same folder from a folder browsing and file handling perspective.

    I don't use LR these days but I do sometimes use other applications either directly on the original files (sometimes leaving that application's sidecar files lying around in the folder) or setting an output file as the file to be further edited with updated saved back to the same folder or a sub-folder. So far I have not seen any operational problems doing this.

    I must confess I have not used ACDsee for a number of years and even then did not use it much so I am completely out of touch with what it can do but I suspect what can be done with C1 is not so different although that may not be obvious. I have no experience of IDimager.

    Our requirements may well turn out to be different and your workflow concept may well be better than mine but I thought there was no harm on responding with some ideas. Quite a few of the features I now use were not obvious to me for some time using C1 and I still keep finding new benefits from things that I had not previously full appreciated. Much like most of the other software I use I suppose!

    I hope this may help in some way.

    Grant Perkins
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    If I understand the OP properly, it is the session workflow that is bothering him. Many CO6 users never create new sessions, but instead work always in the same (default) session. They just browse through the Library tool, System Folders section and create/select the image folder. Optionally, you can assign the Capture Folder function to the selected folder.

    This is basically what Drew already suggested in his post in this thread.

    Hope this helps.
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  • Raffi Hadidian
    Thanks Grant,

    Your reply of "On uploading the files (usually via a card reader in my case but I do sometimes use tethered captures I will often create a subfolder for each camera and day...." tells me our needs are very different.
    I let the folders dictate things and not worry too much of file names. One less thing to worry about and create havoc when moving merging, I guess depending on how you do it. But I rather not worry too much until I start to deliver files.

    I think what Paul and Drew maybe saying is what I have to remember to do each time...Often when I start C1, it forces me to pick or make a session, then if it doesn't find a session it makes me create one...So I create it and realize its in a folder within the Named one, etc and the confusion begins. ☹️
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    Yes I browse through the Library, I guess this limits to force CaptureOne\cache, set, trash,
    ...but not Output, Selects? Although Drew suggests I avoid Library(Is this different from Library Tool?).


    Now that I think about it more....IF C1 DIDN'T force me to pick a session when I start up, I would be OK(still having some forced folders made), but at least it wouldn't make subfolders untitled, and capture one folders within each other...etc.

    Just now I started C1, It forces me to either open recent session, or New or Open other session. (I would think recent might not always work as I swap my image drives on the servers. I click "open session" (other existing), and it routes to Users folder that has nothing it recognizes in it.

    Well, I don't know where it holds the sessions, So I look for it under Programs Files, and there is no Session folder. OK, must be under Apps Data or something. (I can figure this out, but the average or below average?!).
    ....Its not there either...I guess it would want to think it is making sense by placing the session with the images (I guess thats where the thinking differs from LR, as LR leaves the "catalog" independent of the image files and on the C drive (often faster drive/SSD). This matters little for C1 as it doesnt save any preview or snapshots specific to browsing, and this I like as a RAW developer.

    So, back to FORCING A SESSION....I now make a new session defaulted to my C drive, Users, my name, My Pictures...and Im making the Capture SubFolder and Session name "DONOT SAVE HERE"

    this way it will prompt me to double check before I start shooting into a folder I don't want. I guess this is a work around for me.
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    Thanks for the feedbacks. Perhaps future upgrades will have C1 Startup with a flexible approach?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="Raffi3" wrote:
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    I think what Paul and Drew maybe saying is what I have to remember to do each time...Often when I start C1, it forces me to pick or make a session, then if it doesn't find a session it makes me create one...So I create it and realize its in a folder within the Named one, etc and the confusion begins. ☹️

    Hi,

    Capture One may display the 'Open Session' dialog when you closed all sessions (i.e. closed all windows) before you closed Capture One. You can select a previous session from the dialog and continue with that session, or create a new one. When it does not find a session, you can browse for one.

    Maybe the whole experience improves when you do not close all sessions before you close the application. Also, you could double-click on the session file of choice (that is the *.col50 file in the session folder) from Windows Explorer and Capture One will open with that session.

    Last but not least, a clean-up of Capture One may help to prevent displaying the Open Session dialog when it should not do so. My first attempt would be do delete the default Capture One session file and the preference file. Let us know whether you want to go that route and/or need more assistance.
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