Third Party Custom Tools/Plugins
Does anyone know if Capture One is "Open Source" enough to be able to create 3rd party Tools/Plugin's (whatever you want to call it)?
I'm aware that you can write scripts, but I'm curious if there is MORE that can be done?
I'm aware that you can write scripts, but I'm curious if there is MORE that can be done?
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No, there is no way to support plugins in C1. The only plugin for C1 that exist is Profoto control plugin, but it is created in coloborration with C1. So only scripts and external editing all the way 😊 0 -
Stupid question time...are you looking for some sort of functionality that isn't included, and if so, is it not available through the external edit option? Just wondering...
Thanks,
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I for one would like to see a custom plugin for sharpening.
The C1 sharpening algorithm is inferior, IMO. It doesn't work well for landscapes, trees, rock, fine textures in general. Makes them look artificial and "painted". So far this algo has been the sole reason for me not to purchase C1 yet (demo only). I could use C1 for pre-sharpened JPGs, but that's missing the point of using a RAW converter in the first place.0 -
[quote="ansbil" wrote:
I for one would like to see a custom plugin for sharpening.
The C1 sharpening algorithm is inferior, IMO. It doesn't work well for landscapes, trees, rock, fine textures in general. Makes them look artificial and "painted". So far this algo has been the sole reason for me not to purchase C1 yet (demo only). I could use C1 for pre-sharpened JPGs, but that's missing the point of using a RAW converter in the first place.
How about you share some more details like camera model used etc. Maybe even share a raw file and possibly some other users could give feedback on the 'inferior' sharpening you see. I don't think it is fair to say it is 'inferior' without any examples. I've heard some complaints about sharpening but I assume it might be related to raw files from certain cameras.0 -
[quote="ansbil" wrote:
I for one would like to see a custom plugin for sharpening.
The C1 sharpening algorithm is inferior, IMO. It doesn't work well for landscapes, trees, rock, fine textures in general. Makes them look artificial and "painted". So far this algo has been the sole reason for me not to purchase C1 yet (demo only). I could use C1 for pre-sharpened JPGs, but that's missing the point of using a RAW converter in the first place.
It is possible to use certain plugins with C1. For example I can use (almost) all of my Topaz plugins, but only through the Topaz interface provided for this kind of thing - Fusion Express2 or photoFXlab. Those are .app external editors whose sole purpose is to allow users to then call their plugins so the call is C1 -> Fusion Express2 -> Topaz plugin -> C1 (or the equivalent with photoFXlab).
Some "plugins" like the Nik software are also available as external app calls and I have successfully been able to use several of them directly from C1 including the Nik sharpening plugins so you might want to look there.
A third option is to use some other external editor to call your plugins. For example you can call Photoshop or Elements directly from C1 and then launch your plugins through it.
Don't know if any of this helps.0 -
I've never been overwhelmed by Capture One's sharpening either - I only use it at default as a "capture sharpening" starting point.
To be fair though, I consider it to be perfectly acceptable for that purpose - it's naive and unreasonable to expect "end result" sharpening from a Raw converter. That's another job for the likes of PhotoShop.
But it is actually possible to add a subtle but useful degree of micro sharpening by careful use of the "Structure" slider in the Clarity panel, which well might help with landscapes - I use it a lot with my bird photographs to bring out fine detail and texture in feathers.0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
To be fair though, I consider it to be perfectly acceptable for that purpose - it's naive and unreasonable to expect "end result" sharpening from a Raw converter. That's another job for the likes of PhotoShop.
Perhaps. But Lightroom may have spoiled many with its good/great capture - creative - output sharpening chain.
Much of the PK Sharpener Photoshop plug-in was apparently rolled into Lightroom.0 -
[quote="Andriy.Okhrimets" wrote:
No, there is no way to support plugins in C1. The only plugin for C1 that exist is Profoto control plugin, but it is created in coloborration with C1. So only scripts and external editing all the way 😊
That's not true. One can turn to Phase One to get access to the SDK and build add-on functionality (just like Profoto has done). However, there are probably requirements from P1 side (like a license fee etc.). So, it is true to say it isn't as accessible as the plugin SDK of some other applications.0 -
[quote="HCS" wrote:
[quote="Andriy.Okhrimets" wrote:
No, there is no way to support plugins in C1. The only plugin for C1 that exist is Profoto control plugin, but it is created in coloborration with C1. So only scripts and external editing all the way 😊
That's not true. One can turn to Phase One to get access to the SDK and build add-on functionality (just like Profoto has done). However, there are probably requirements from P1 side (like a license fee etc.). So, it is true to say it isn't as accessible as the plugin SDK of some other applications.
That is interesting as I had never thought that there was a C1 SDK.
What puzzles me is why no one has written an external editor whose only purpose would be to allow calls to a variety of 3rd party plugins. Topaz has written one (actually two) for their plugins but there does not seem to be a general-purpose plugin caller and there would seem to be a market for one.
I thought about doing something like that for my own use, but since I know nothing about image structure and the Adobe plugin interface and since there do not appear to be any books available on those subjects, I just gave it up.0 -
True enough, Bob, but I'm not a great fan of Lr's sharpening either for any more than capture sharpening. I get more detail and microcontrast - with less impact on image noise - from Capture One. The "Detail" slider in Lr's sharpening tool causes more trouble than it's worth because of the "noise" (surely doesn't look like "detail" to me) it generates. It (a form of R-L deconvolution) is a clever theoretical solution, but it doesn't seem to stack up in the Real World.
And even Jeff Schewe (one of PK Sharpener's creators, and someone I appreciate immensely for both his knowledge and his willingness to "call a spade a spade" on forums, even at the expense of the easily-bruised sensibilities of sensitive "shrinking violets" online - the like we're getting too many of on here) happily admits that he still does his serious sharpening in Photoshop, not Lr...
More bells and whistles doesn't necessarily mean higher quality, and PK Sharpener technology (which I used for a long while as a Photoshop plugin too - I do know how to use it) seems to have a particular look and effect which doesn't work for my images.
To each their own, though. I'm not saying there's a single thing wrong with Lr or PK Sharpener, just that they don't do it for me. My sharpener of choice these days is the Topaz Detail PhotoShop plugin.
The only thing about Lr's sharpening which I'd like to see in Capture One is the Masking slider, which is worth its weight in gold.
Frankly though, they could all do worse than look at the amazing amount of clean detail and sharpness that conversions from Picturecode's Photo Ninja display - only three sliders to it, and I never touch the last one!
http://www.kazemisu.me.uk/images/screenshot_20.png
Photo Ninja is almost always my converter of choice these day - over Lightroom, Capture One, and (especially, more and more), DxO Optics Pro. No bells, no whistles, just extraordinary sharp, clean, eye-popping, nicely toned and coloured images - pretty much straight out of the box, more often than not.0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
The only thing about Lr's sharpening which I'd like to see in Capture One is the Masking slider, which is worth its weight in gold.
I sure agree with that! Along with it's option-drag preview of what will be masked. Brilliant!0
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