Retina display
PhaseOne, are you working on a version of C1 pro that will support the Retina display? Any idea when it will be released, roughly?
Are there any users here that have a Macbook Pro Retina, and have hardware calibrated the screen? Any issues? I'd like to hear your experience.
Are there any users here that have a Macbook Pro Retina, and have hardware calibrated the screen? Any issues? I'd like to hear your experience.
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I would like to know why anybody wants to have a retina display apart from presentation mode?
The resolution is higher than a paper print - how shall i judge anything from it. Are you guys aware that you are shouting for cameras like the D800 for the web?
How shall you use a screen like that in photoshop? Do you want to install magnifiers in front of the screen to judge in the future?
If you spend a second thought on that - or even a first thought you really do not want to have a retina display for capturing or post production other than for proofing issues on a secondary screen.0 -
With all due respect and while your remarks are something to ponder, how would you know what other people want?
This remark seems very much like the ones when the first high megapixel cameras came on the market. "Why would you need more than 4/6/8 megapixel for web images?", etc.
Only time will tell, but i would want one. If only to show off my images on screen.0 -
@Daniel3222: Color rendition is much improved on over the older displays. Go to a Mac store, bring some hires photos with you, and compare the Retina against the ordinary MacBook Pro display. Then tell me again that you don't want one. You may want to leave your credit card at home though 😉
Now, can we get back ON topic again? Thanks.0 -
I did not want to tell you what you want. Really not. But i want to discuss my thoughts about it.
I guess that is on topic enough 😉
My thoughts have nothing to do wether the images might be more yippie rendition - i saw them before and as i said before it is really nice for presentations.
Give it a thought : What do you see if you zoom into 100% of picture - the actual full pixel size.
Which means on a Retina Display with a resolution of 326 dpi (higher than the actual print resolution) you will see an image smaller than your final print image. How shall i evaluate the quality for print? With a magnifying glass?
Full size images for your website on a 15" retina display will have to be now 2048x1535 pixels large. Can you imagine how much data you have to store for your portfolio? Can you image how fast your internet will have to be to load a portfolio with images in that size?
Full HD videos will not be enough anymore to be shown on a simple 15" screen.
As nice and wicked the colors might be for an offline presentation of a portfolio - we should not forget the downside.
If Retina will be a new standard we all have to invest a lot more money as we have to work consequently in much higher resolutions for everything - even for a simple web shop shoot. We need faster computer, more retouch, we have to buy 2 times more hard drives.
Yes - i do like the idea of a retina display - but hell no - i am having problems already with the fastest apple computers already without a new upcoming standard with 3 times the density of pixels.0 -
[quote="Daniel3222" wrote:
I did not want to tell you what you want. Really not. But i want to discuss my thoughts about it.
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It may be you were addressing me. I apologize if i came across trying to patronize you, it surely wasn't my intention. I was trying to ask a rhetorical question, i should have put that better. In my defense, English is not my native language.
But, the points you are making in the rest of your reply, are exactly the ones made for/against the growing number of megapixels in cameras.
Truth is, if you don't want a retina display, or if you don't want to gear your output to it, that is totally up to you and certainly fine with me.
Regarding the print(er) argument, today we mostly print in 300 or 240 dpi. Many moons ago, we printed in 80 dpi, before that even less. In a couple of moons from now, we will be printing in native 600, 720 or 900 dpi. Then you'd need a higher resolution screen to better judge your print output. Similarly for screens. If everyone (or most people) will have retina displays, they will be expecting output geared towards its abilities.
Again, sorry if i came across the wrong way in my earlier post.0 -
The human eye can generally not differentiate detail beyond 300 DPI. A commonly mistake is to confuse a ink jet 2400dpi ticked printing box with the maximal visible resolution that will improve your image.
So what technically might be possible is not necessarily better.
And you get me wrong - i do not talk technic down, i say that there is a huge downside that people do not think about.
An image does not become better because of the higher counts on megapixel / color depth etc.
I totally agree that this all might be a future thing, but with the internet as it is now and the complete working surrounding as it is now it is wasted money or even contra productive unless you use it for presentation.
And there is no way i can gear more up - as i have the top range macs already - toothed up to the max.
Hands down - the iPad 3´s are wicked. My girlfriend has an iPhone 5 and i really obey the colors and sharpness. I really like to watch images on the retina mac book pros - but for capturing and post production other than for soft proof reasons (and not even color wise as they are still only mac book screens and no more) they are as is in 2012 not the right choice for the professional on job photographer.
And that is only an opinion.0 -
[quote="Jeroen11" wrote:
Now, can we get back ON topic again? Thanks.
Just stepping in to remind everyone of the OP's original question...[quote="Jeroen11" wrote:
...Are there any users here that have a Macbook Pro Retina, and have hardware calibrated the screen? Any issues? I'd like to hear your experience.
Although an open discussion of various Apple hardware and technical details about resolution are great, they don't fit in this thread. Let's keep it focused.0 -
OK.
No problem and with pleasure.
Hardware calibration on a macbook pro is never a hardware calibration but a combinated hard AND software calibration.
In the case of macbook pros only the brightness will be "hardware calibrated" - the colors will be profiled.
From testing with the basic color software a combinated hardware and software calibration works just fine on the retina macbook pros. In our case i did use the basic color discuss. I am pretty sure that you have to have one of the newer calibration tools anyhow to use it as the newer screens have a wider gamut than your older calibration tool might be able to deal with.
So to your question :
No, as all other macbook pros a hardware calibration is not possible unless you call adjusting the brightness hardware calibration. The video luts stay untouched - simply profiling.
Issues : USB 3.0 / Some calibration tools might be not working but there is a simple bypass: Use an USB 2.0 hub
Conclusion : The profiling works just fine - as good as on older macbook pros.
But while a screen is not even able to show the whole sRGB color range it really should not be used for color refference checks or color editing.0
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