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Nikon D810 support

Klauss
Hi Drew or any of the administrators,

Thanks for letting us know in the earlier thread that D810's SDK is out.
Just wondering if anyone could give an estimated time frame for the new release - would it be this anytime this month or the next? Can't live without Capture One and Nikon's Capture NX-D is just not cutting it for me.
I'm torn between waiting further or renting a D800e for the month so that I can continue working on Capture One.
Any info would be appreciated.
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  • Peter Grüner
    Hi Klauss,

    Like mentioned in many previous threads before Phase One will not commit on timelines and is surely working to get the update released as quickly as possible. A few workarounds like changing the camera model to D800/D800E were described as well and these are working not too bad.

    Peter
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  • Gregory
    There is a beta version of 7.2.4 out that I'm using and works well with the D810. Evidently I'm not allowed to post a link to it.
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  • Peter Grüner
    There are a few beta testers out there along with internal staff from Phase One which is a good sign as it brings more feedback from other environments as well.

    Peter
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  • Klauss
    Hi both,

    Thanks for the suggestions!
    I tested out the 7.2.4 beta and can confirm that it works well reading D810's files. The Capture One team has also created profiles for D810 which is brilliant.
    Gregory: I couldn't connect my D810 to tether - could you?
    My DB tethers fine on the new beta, so I'm sure it is working. My guess is that the beta came out slightly before Nikon's D810 SDK is released (based on comments on the older threads) and so tethering is still not supported in the beta. One way to work around this is to use Nikon's Camera Control Pro 2 and enabling Hot Folder capture through the beta.
    Everything is working fine and I'm a happy man. There is perhaps a very slight delay of 10-20% vs proper Capture One tethering but that is insignificant.
    All is well for now until the full 7.2.4 version gets released! 😊
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  • Gregory
    I don't believe the beta version supports tethering for the D810. The D810 SDK is required for that and the beta was released before the SDK was available. My guess is the beta version is pretty much what the final version will be like as far as color profiles go...just lacking tethering support.
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  • NNN634323358977616215
    Any chance I could have access this beta as well please?
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  • Peter Grüner
    Hi,

    The 7.2.4 Beta has been out for quite some time and I hope to expect a final release pretty soon. Maybe Drew can help you out with getting you "late" access.

    Peter
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  • Klauss
    I suspected as much. Guess as long as Capture One can read the files, there are ways to get it to tether which is good enough to last until the next proper release.

    Gregory mentioned that we're not allowed to post links, but a quick search on google will do the trick.
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  • CraigBeckta
    Hi,

    I heard that you have to use Compressed D810 files with the
    7.2.4 Beta.

    Does the Beta version work with uncompressed D810 files?
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  • Klauss
    Seems like it does, I'm able to import both compressed (46+/- mb) and uncompressed (75+/- mb) files.
    Hope that helps.
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  • Ulf Liljegren
    Capture One 7.2.4 Beta 1 supports Nikon D810 files.
    However it does not have tethered support implemented just yet, we hope to have this once 7.2.4 goes out as final version.
    Anyone who want to get access to this software can do so by requesting it from technical support.
    Go to http://support.phaseone.com and click on "Contact support"
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  • Gregory
    Or just google it.
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  • CraigBeckta
    I downloaded the Beta but it seems a little buggy.

    I had several crashes importing Nikon D810 images.

    On a couple occasions the images imported as
    black and white as well.

    I'm using Maverick OSX 10.9.3.
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  • SFA
    [quote="CraigBeckta" wrote:
    I downloaded the Beta but it seems a little buggy.

    I had several crashes importing Nikon D810 images.

    On a couple occasions the images imported as
    black and white as well.

    I'm using Maverick OSX 10.9.3.


    It's a beta.

    A rather public beta it seems.

    It's for testing stuff.

    I can't think of a better reason to not make beta software public (outside an Open Source project ... and even then one has to question the logic sometimes) than the potential of having general comments of this nature posted to the internet to be discovered by search engines in perpetuity.

    What makes it even less attractive is that the configuration of the machine on which the beta software is it being run could well be a contributory factor. Who knows?

    Furthermore the entire exercise to produce the beta may not be solely for the purpose of satisfying the perceived needs of a self selecting group of users choosing to be early adopters of a new product. Yet it seems the beta testing process may be hijacked by such a group.


    Perhaps that needs re-thinking in some way?



    Grant
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  • Keith Reeder
    I suspect that there's a beta tester out there - the one that made this beta publicly available - who's about to lose his beta tester status...

    I can't remember the last time - or even if - Phase One has released a public beta, but it's obvious enough that this wasn't intended to be one.
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  • Gregory
    Ulf made it sound like you just need to email support to get the beta. Doesn't seem like it's top secret. They probably just want you to get it from them so they can do all the disclaimers explaining that it's a beta and how to beta test it productively (i.e. give you the procedure to report bugs).
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  • SFA
    [quote="Gregory" wrote:
    Ulf made it sound like you just need to email support to get the beta. Doesn't seem like it's top secret. They probably just want you to get it from them so they can do all the disclaimers explaining that it's a beta and how to beta test it productively (i.e. give you the procedure to report bugs).


    In terms of an update - especially one that, presumably, is timed to accommodate the work required for enabling what is clearly an important product release from Nikon - I think making a beta available probably makes sense. However it makes less sense if the people who need to adopt it (as opposed to just wishing to adopt it for some reason) are correctly briefed on possible issues and limitations and how and where to provide feedback.

    I would imagine that is why Ulf and co. would prefer to have people email in their requests for access - so they know who is using the code, can indicate how the testers can be most effective in supplying feedback and have a way to contact them directly should the need arise.

    If it were my project to provide the update I would be seeking not just to provide the extended functionality and any fixes that might be expected but to ensure that the package as released is as complete as possible. In that respect, for the Nikon 810, that would require both the camera profile and the tethering functionality simply because to release one without the other would be sure to lead to complaints from those who feel personally aggrieved at the service provided.

    The Nikon SDK has been released quite recently which may not be helpful for those mainly interested in the camera profile rather than its tethering capabilities.

    Making a decision about how to balance such a staggered release without becoming trapped in a resource sapping discussion about the completeness (and then the implied quality issues) of what has been made available cannot be easy.



    Grant
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  • CraigBeckta
    It seems to be working better today for some reason.
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  • Keith Reeder
    I'm just thinking in terms of the fact that Phase One doesn't do "public" betas, Grant.

    There's nothing so special or challenging about the D810, or support for it (it's just another camera with a Bayer array), that would make a public beta obviously necessary.
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  • SFA
    [quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
    I'm just thinking in terms of the fact that Phase One doesn't do "public" betas, Grant.

    There's nothing so special or challenging about the D810, or support for it (it's just another camera with a Bayer array), that would make a public beta obviously necessary.


    Yes Keith, I take your point. But I suppose when you get a situation like the D810 and a less than timely release of the SDK in terms of how one might want to present an acceptable completely working product to the mass of users there may be compromises that have to be considered.


    (Meanwhile I am wondering when we will see the first demands for support for the new cameras announced at Photokina. 😉 )

    Do I remember correctly that I read that Sony don't do tethering as such? That must make for easier decisions form a development point of view. I could see why they might be a popular firm to work with from that and a few other perspectives.




    Grant
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  • Keith Reeder
    Sony doesn't provide an SDK - but I believe that they have "in-house" software which provides tethering, and I recall at least one third-party solution, where someone has apparently figured out how to make Sony cameras and computers talk to each other without an SDK.
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  • SFA
    [quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
    Sony doesn't provide an SDK - but I believe that they have "in-house" software which provides tethering, and I recall at least one third-party solution, where someone has apparently figured out how to make Sony cameras and computers talk to each other without an SDK.


    It seems that Phase have also figured something out in V8 ... 😉
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  • Keith Reeder
    Given the apparent new business relationship which has emerged between Sony and Phase One, I suspect that Sony has furnished some code for Phase One to incorporate.
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  • SFA
    [quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
    Given the apparent new business relationship which has emerged between Sony and Phase One, I suspect that Sony has furnished some code for Phase One to incorporate.


    That would seem to be a logical conclusion for a number of reasons. Quite positive reasons too.


    Grant
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  • Ulf Liljegren
    Sony has furnished some code for Phase One to incorporate.


    Nope, we have written some beautiful code.
    Tether a Sony and a Nikon (Nikon SDK) side by side and be amazed.
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  • Ulf Liljegren
    Capture One 7.2.4 is available now with full Nikon D810 support
    http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Ma ... veMac.aspx
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  • Peter Ott
    [quote="Ulf" wrote:
    Capture One 7.2.4 is available now with full Nikon D810 support
    http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Ma ... veMac.aspx


    Sorry, cannot find it there.
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  • Ulf Liljegren
    Sure you can 😊
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  • Wai Kay Ho
    Hi,

    I just downloaded 7.2.4 and installed over my older version of CO7. It was not able to detect my D810. Files does not go in and live view does not work.

    Am I missing something?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="NNN635418237777778438" wrote:
    Hi,

    I just downloaded 7.2.4 and installed over my older version of CO7. It was not able to detect my D810. Files does not go in and live view does not work.

    Am I missing something?

    Yep. There is only raw file support for the D810, no tethering support. You need CO 8.0.1 or later for that.
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