How to bulk change Engine in Base Characteristics
I have just upgraded and started using C1 8. It appears that all of my previously imported images are using the C1 7 engine. I can select all images in a folder and change it but I'm wondering if I can change all images in my catalog?
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If you make a search for all images then this should be possible.
But I would not do that, because the new engine renders images different. I'd rather keep the old one (with the old settings) and only upgrade if it is needed. It feels that the C8 engine has less highlight recover than the C7 engine ...0 -
Thanks Clemens. I have a lot of images from a recent trip to process. I'll try highlight recovery with both before committing. Hopefully, someone from P1 will have something to say about the differences. 0 -
So far, I have not seen considerable differences in the image adjustments when upgrading the engine from 7 to 8 (my experience stretches more than a few days) like when upgrading from 6 to 7 (in CO7 or CO8).
If you would like to speed up the upgrade engine process of your images in the catalog, go to the All Images collection, select all images (Cmd+A) and upgrade the engine.0 -
[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
So far, I have not seen considerable differences in the image adjustments when upgrading the engine from 7 to 8 (my experience stretches more than a few days) like when upgrading from 6 to 7 (in CO7 or CO8).
I agree with that - in fact, I find the "improvements" in 8 to be so minimal that I'll not be upgrading from 7 until/unless a new camera makes it a necessity.
In fact I'm deeply underwhelmed by the new release, to be honest...0 -
Thanks Keith and Paul. I'll settle for stability. 0 -
[quote="NN218875UL2" wrote:
Thanks Keith and Paul. I'll settle for stability.
So would I:
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[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
So far, I have not seen considerable differences in the image adjustments when upgrading the engine from 7 to 8 (my experience stretches more than a few days) like when upgrading from 6 to 7 (in CO7 or CO8).
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding this comment but, there should be NO difference in image render when one simply "upgrades" the Engine from Capture One 7 to Capture One 8. This upgrade should keep the image as identical to what you see on screen as possible, however the 8 engine then opens up the image for further expansion of tools.
The "Upgrade" button is not a "Auto Adjust" button that should change any appearance, but instead give you the opportunity to use the new tools and improved tools, process' to take your images further.0 -
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding this comment but, there should be NO difference in image render when one simply "upgrades" the Engine from Capture One 7 to Capture One 8. This upgrade should keep the image as identical to what you see on screen as possible, however the 8 engine then opens up the image for further expansion of tools.
The "Upgrade" button is not a "Auto Adjust" button that should change any appearance, but instead give you the opportunity to use the new tools and improved tools, process' to take your images further.
Hi Drew,
This is an interesting comment. I have personally seen a difference when upgrading the engine from 7 to 8. If I remember well it was mostly on images I would have already worked on ("edited") in version 7. Upgrading from 7 to 8 would generally result in a brighter image, sometimes meaning that there would be more blown highlights (that could then be recovered with the HDR tool). Would it be possible for Phase One to describe a bit better what has changed with this new engine ?0 -
[quote="jacques" wrote:
... Upgrading from 7 to 8 would generally result in a brighter image, sometimes meaning that there would be more blown highlights (that could then be recovered with the HDR tool). Would it be possible for Phase One to describe a bit better what has changed with this new engine ?
This is what I have also observed.
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[quote="Drew" wrote:
[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
So far, I have not seen considerable differences in the image adjustments when upgrading the engine from 7 to 8 (my experience stretches more than a few days) like when upgrading from 6 to 7 (in CO7 or CO8).
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding this comment but, there should be NO difference in image render when one simply "upgrades" the Engine from Capture One 7 to Capture One 8. This upgrade should keep the image as identical to what you see on screen as possible, however the 8 engine then opens up the image for further expansion of tools.
The "Upgrade" button is not a "Auto Adjust" button that should change any appearance, but instead give you the opportunity to use the new tools and improved tools, process' to take your images further.
From what I can see the image rendering changes from CO7 to CO8 at least when on the original image version the HDR tool was used.0 -
Same here, Ario - there is a clear change if the engine is switched from 7 to 8 on an image which has had highlights or shadows work done.
I must admit though, I'm surprised to read from Drew that in demosaicing/rendering/image quality terms the 8 processing engine is exactly the same as the 7 engine, and that in essence its only purpose is to provide access to the improved tools and deliver some speed/performance improvements.
It's not really a "new" engine then, I think - it's just the old engine tuned up a bit.
Just as well 7's engine is a good one..!
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Oh boy, here we go.
Note the important bit in my entry...[quote="Drew" wrote:
This upgrade should keep the image as identical to what you see on screen as possible,
When you upgrade from the 6 or 7 engine, to the 8 engine we are trying to set all your adjustments to the equivalent settings in the 8 engine. As such, everything should be as identical as possible. True, some slight changes are not possible to avoid.
The purpose of the 8 engine is to then give you access to all the improvements but keeping your starting point as close as possible to what you previously had set.[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
I'm surprised to read from Drew that in demosaicing/rendering/image quality terms the 8 processing engine is exactly the same as the 7 engine,
❓ ❓ I did not say that, I said the visual render of your image should look as close as possible to the previous engine when you hit upgrade.0 -
Drew, I do not think it is a personal issue. I am just trying, as others do, to understand as much as I can about how my favorite editing sw works. Now it seems clear that the HDR tool is different in version 8 compared with version 7; my question are there are other changes (improvements) in the previously existing tools we should be aware of? If this is the case I may consider for instance to re-edit some of my previously edited pics, as I am doing i with the HDR tool,which I find better than before.
I think that sharing a bit more of knowledge will be helpful to everybody. 😊 😊 😊0 -
Hi,
I imported almost 4000 images into one catalog yesterday and performed a bulk change of the settings (all images are still available as sessions in different folders) and from what I have seen most of the images show little to no difference.
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[quote="Drew" wrote:
❓ ❓ I did not say that, I said the visual render of your image should look as close as possible to the previous engine when you hit upgrade.
So, semantics aside, what's the difference between what you wrote and how I interepreted it, Drew? If the new engine renders visually "as close as possible" to the original rendering, it's doing the same thing as the old engine. Which is exactly what I suggested with:...in demosaicing/rendering/image quality terms the 8 processing engine is exactly the same as the 7 engine
If the "visual render of your image should look as close as possible to the previous engine when you hit upgrade", what's the point, in terms of IQ improvements, in upgrading, except to access the new/improved tools?
if the new engine doesn't deliver improvements in and of itself thanks to (say) an improved demosaicing algorithm (which, as an aside, is what I'll bet most people think is meant by "new processing engine"), then - in any practical sense - it is the same engine as the 7 engine in terms of what it contibutes to the end-result, outside of what the new tools bring to the table.
It boils down to this: either the 8 engine is intended to provide, among other things, superior rendering (demosaicing) of our Raw files, or it isn't. If it is, why can't we see the improvements?; and if it isn't, then isn't it exacly what I described it as earlier, a souped-up 7 engine?
Despite what you might choose to believe, I'm not trying to be difficult here, Drew - I'm just trying to get past Phase One's usual obfuscation about what we're supposed to be getting by way of "improvements".
Phase One's own site says this:Capture One Pro 8 raises the bar even further so you can get better image quality than ever before - straight out of the box and through the adjustment possibilities.
"Out of the box and through the adjustment possibilities"? Doesn't "out of the box" suggest that even before the new tools come into use, we should be seeing an advantage from the 8 engine?
And if that advantage is effectively to be denied from anyone who upgrades an image to the 8 engine, I'm not sure I see the point of it. If I convert images to the 8 engine, I want everything it's capable of, not just access to the new tools.0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
If the new engine renders visually "as close as possible" to the original rendering, it's doing the same thing as the old engine.
No Keith, your missing the point.
The simple act of Upgrading ties to match what you have already done. It is trying to give you the same starting point. Then, once upgraded, it opens the tools and algorithms up for the new possibilities of the engine.
So, I think you are overlooking what I am trying to explain here. The upgrade option, once performed, tries to give you the closest possible representation so the image looks the same... this is to avoid an the Upgrade option completely changing the hard work you've done in Capture One 7 to a result you may not prefer.
Think of it as a "translation" to the 8 engine.
So, to be clear, I am NOT saying that the 8 Engine is the same as the 7 Engine. I am trying to explain that the simple act of pushing the Upgrade Button should result in things appearing the same as a starting point for advanced improvement.0 -
So, to be clear, I am NOT saying that the 8 Engine is the same as the 7 Engine. I am trying to explain that the simple act of pushing the Upgrade Button should result in things appearing the same as a starting point for advanced improvement.
What would be some of the adjustments that we could use after upgrading the engine to harness the improvements and advantages of the new engine?0
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