Local adjustments
I just finished watching one of the CaptureOne webinars (All Things Colour at ) and in that video the instructor shows that you can use the color editor with local adjustments. But when I select something by creating a new layer and using the brush and then use the color editor the color changes affect not only the selected area but also other parts of the image that are the same color but not in the selected area. I do have the layer selected so I am not working on the background layer but the color editor appears to be applying the changes to all parts of the image.
I have tried this on more than one image but get the same results. All parts of the image that contain that color get modified regardless of my local selection. I have done the selection first and then the color editor because doing it in the reverse direction appears to clear the color editor. So, three questions.
1) What am I doing wrong? Or is it not possible to restrict the color editor to a selected part of the image?
2) Is there any way to select part of an image into a change and part out of the change? That is, select one part and deselect another part? I know that sounds strange because selecting is supposed to deselect everything not selected but it is nor working as I expected in my images.
3) What I am trying to do is select a bird and lighten and slightly saturate the red chest color. Since the red color is similar to other foliage is there any way to do what I am trying to do without using an external editor?
Any help would be appreciated. The webinar was so helpful I started to re-process all of the images from my last trip but have found this issue and am stumped.
I have tried this on more than one image but get the same results. All parts of the image that contain that color get modified regardless of my local selection. I have done the selection first and then the color editor because doing it in the reverse direction appears to clear the color editor. So, three questions.
1) What am I doing wrong? Or is it not possible to restrict the color editor to a selected part of the image?
2) Is there any way to select part of an image into a change and part out of the change? That is, select one part and deselect another part? I know that sounds strange because selecting is supposed to deselect everything not selected but it is nor working as I expected in my images.
3) What I am trying to do is select a bird and lighten and slightly saturate the red chest color. Since the red color is similar to other foliage is there any way to do what I am trying to do without using an external editor?
Any help would be appreciated. The webinar was so helpful I started to re-process all of the images from my last trip but have found this issue and am stumped.
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Are you using the Advanced tab in the colour editor?
Are you working from the Local Adjustments tool tab? (You dpn't have to be but doing so does tie things together nicely.)
Grant0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
Are you using the Advanced tab in the colour editor?
Are you working from the Local Adjustments tool tab? (You dpn't have to be but doing so does tie things together nicely.)
Yes and yes.
As to the second, I have added the Color Editor to the Local Adjustments tab so it exists in two places - under the color adjustments and in the local adjustments. Perhaps I will play with the tab contents and remove it from the color tab although I would have a hard time believing that this would make any difference.0 -
Using C1P 8.3.2 on Windows, I can only reproduce your problem if I use the Color Editor in the Color Tab (irrespective of which layer is selected in the Local Adjustments Tab).
If I use the Color Editor in the Local Adjustments Tab, then only the areas under the Mask are affected when the adjustment layer is selected.
I don't remember adding the Color Editor to the Local Adjustments Tab myself, so assume this was added in a recent release. What version of Capture One are you using, Mike?
Richard0 -
This seems a bit odd to me, but here is what I have found.
Yesterday I had been working a good portion of the day on processing images from a recent trip. To take a rest I decided to watch the color video I mentioned and was so impressed with what the color tool could do that I decided to try to duplicate some of the same functionality on my images. The first thing I did was to add the Color Editor to my Local Adjustments tab.
I then selected an image of a bird walking on the ground looking for food. The colors on the bird were not too different from those of some of the foliage that the bird was walking through and when I used the Color Editor color picker it clearly selected some of that foliage. I then created a mask of the bird, went back to the bird, reselected the color of the birds breast and adjusted the saturation. All of the surrounding foliage colors that matched were also adjusted. I then tried the same thing on another image and got exactly the same result and I posted the question, shut my MBP down and went to bed.
This morning I started my computer and re-watched part of the video to verify that I had seen what I thought I had seen (I had). I then opened C1 again and tried the same thing again. This time it worked and only the selected part of the bird was adjusted. I tried another and it also worked.
This puzzled me as I knew I had done exactly the same thing yesterday and it had not worked. The only conclusion that I could come to was that after I had added the Color Editor to the Local Adjustments tab I had not restarted C1 and perhaps (and I do mean perhaps) C1 had to restart for the addition of the Color Editor to the Local Adjustments tab to be considered part of that tab rather than just another instance of the editor in its original tab. Perhaps C1 needed to rebuild some kind of linkage indicating where controls were and how they should act or perhaps the current in-memory setup needed to be updated.
I know I did the same thing yesterday that I did this morning and I know it did not work then, but does now, and that is the only explanation I can come up with. In any case it is working now. I know that sounds a bit lame, but imagine how I feel seeing it work now but knowing the same thing did not work yesterday - chagrined and a bit embarrassed.
Thanks for the posts.0 -
On a number of tools, there is an option when you click the ... thingy to have the adjustment apply to the selected layer or not. Is that it?
Ian0 -
[quote="Ian3" wrote:
On a number of tools, there is an option when you click the ... thingy to have the adjustment apply to the selected layer or not. Is that it?
Ian
I believe I have it figured out after all. I can not be sure yet, but here is what I found.
1) Here is a screen shot of an image I was adjusting. I wanted to darken only the sky but much of the main part of the image contains the same light blue reflected from the sky and when I tried it using the Color Editor I ended up lightening and darkening much of the image. So I went to the Local Adjustments panel and selected the sky (and the trees). Here is that screen shot. You can see in the screen shot that I have created a layer and selected the mask.
2) I then opened the Color Editor and selected a part of the sky. I have shown both the area where I selected the color and the fact that the layer is selected, not the background. I have also circled the checkbox specifying that I view the selected color range.
3) I then modified the Lightness setting by moving it to the bottom of the range and you can see how parts of the image outside the mask have been darkened. You can see that the View Selected color range is still checked.
4) I then moved the Lightness slider all the way to the top and you can see how parts of the image outside the mask have been lightened. As before you can see that the View Selected color range is still checked.
So the image outside the mask appears to have been lightened and darkened and it seemed to me clear that something was not working properly. As it turns out I was wrong because of the setting of the View Selected color range. While that is checked C1 is showing me what is happening when the Lightness (or Saturation or Hue) slider is adjusted but, when that is unchecked the mask is actually applied and, regardless of what the screen shots showed, only the selected part of the image has the changes applied. I am pretty sure this is what was happening to me yesterday and this morning when this did not appear to be happening I probably had that checkbox cleared.
I am posting this in case anyone else runs into this problem. Perhaps this information will prevent someone else from feeling as foolish as I did when I discovered what I believe to be the actual problem.0 -
MikeFromMesa
Thank you soooo much for this it has been driving me crazy. I seems as you say when I remove "View selected color range" it works and only change the masked area. I will tell support and see if they can change it in the next release. Wished I had found this post earlier... before I reinstalled my C1 ver 9 and 8... Always good with a fresh start though...
MIkael0 -
The point of view selected colour range is to help you to see whether what you are going to adjust with the colour editor will in fact adjust the parts of the image you hoped it would. So for example if you had sampled a colour from golden leaves on a tree, which other parts of the image in the yellowish part of the colour range would also be affected. So you sample your colour, then select view selected colour range. The yellowish bits should stay yellow and the rest of the image goes to black and white. You can drag around the borders of the pie slice in the colour wheel and watch to see when only the bits you wanted to change are still in colour. Then you turn off view selected colour range again, and make your adjustments.
But perhaps you had figured that out.
I could swear that view selected colour range used to be available on the advanced tab of the colour editor, but now I can only find it on the skin tone tab.
[Edited to add: view selected colour range appears to be available on all three tabs of the colour editor tool on the colour tab, bit only on the skin tone tab if I go to that tool on the local adjustments tab. I suppose there must be some logical reason for this, that I haven't worked out yet!]
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