GH2 support issues
Hi
I just started my trial of Capture One 6.1 with Panasonic Lumix GH2 files. Coming from Lightroom 3 and after a short adventure with Bibble 5, I seriously consider to purchase C1, if I think that GH2 support meets my requirements.
Navigating to some GH2 images in the file browser of C1, I discovered to problems:
1.) In the Color panel the ICC profile is shown as Panasonic DMC GF-1 general
2.) In the filmstrip no thumbnails are shown for GH2 raw files.
Is this because GH2 support is still "preliminary"? How preliminary is GH2 support actually? When will GH2 support go beyond "preliminary"? As it is now, it would be hard to justify a purchase and I would probably need to wait for 6.2 or so.
Regards
Thomas
I just started my trial of Capture One 6.1 with Panasonic Lumix GH2 files. Coming from Lightroom 3 and after a short adventure with Bibble 5, I seriously consider to purchase C1, if I think that GH2 support meets my requirements.
Navigating to some GH2 images in the file browser of C1, I discovered to problems:
1.) In the Color panel the ICC profile is shown as Panasonic DMC GF-1 general
2.) In the filmstrip no thumbnails are shown for GH2 raw files.
Is this because GH2 support is still "preliminary"? How preliminary is GH2 support actually? When will GH2 support go beyond "preliminary"? As it is now, it would be hard to justify a purchase and I would probably need to wait for 6.2 or so.
Regards
Thomas
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Preliminary means not final. Smaller or bigger improvements to come, but you can try it for a start (and hold your breath 😉). On my Mac I see the GF-1 profile name as well; typical for preliminary support. I have no problems with the thumbnails of GH2 file. 0 -
The thumbnails occured after closing and restarting C1. Bug or feature? 0 -
[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
The thumbnails occured after closing and restarting C1. Bug or feature?
Preliminary (bug/feature judgements are made after final). 😂0 -
[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
1.) In the Color panel the ICC profile is shown as Panasonic DMC GF-1 general
P1 safeguarded itself by saying that GH2 has "preliminary" support, however read those topics :
viewtopic.php?f=41&t=9972
viewtopic.php?f=41&t=9740
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=9983
We shall see if it will take the same fight when GH2 will be declared as supported...[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
2.) In the filmstrip no thumbnails are shown for GH2 raw files.
I have no such issues in my setup (W7/32bit), thumbnails are being rendered for GH2 raw files0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
We shall see if it will take the same fight when GH2 will be declared as supported..
🙄
No one is fighting anyone. If there are issues that are found please create a support case and provide us examples, we'll take it from there.0 -
[quote="Drew " wrote:
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
We shall see if it will take the same fight when GH2 will be declared as supported..
🙄
No one is fighting anyone. If there are issues that are found please create a support case and provide us examples, we'll take it from there.
Well, I have identified already that C1 uses the wrong (or misnamed) profile for the GH2. So, should I open a support case for this (extra work) or leave it like that, because the current situation is intentionally part of the preliminary support status, is well known, and was scheduled to be fixed until GH2 support is production quality?0 -
Cheers Thomas!
I'm eager to get your word on C1 and GH2! 😊
How's it working?0 -
[quote="duartix" wrote:
Cheers Thomas!
I'm eager to get your word on C1 and GH2! 😊
How's it working?
it is working, the question about the icc/icm profile remains until the next C1 update.0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="duartix" wrote:
Cheers Thomas!
I'm eager to get your word on C1 and GH2! 😊
How's it working?
it is working, the question about the icc/icm profile remains until the next C1 update.
What are the consequences? ATM how good are the conversions color wise?0 -
[quote="duartix" wrote:
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="duartix" wrote:
Cheers Thomas!
I'm eager to get your word on C1 and GH2! 😊
How's it working?
it is working, the question about the icc/icm profile remains until the next C1 update.
What are the consequences? ATM how good are the conversions color wise?
we do not know the consequences as we do not have the profile - so we can't compare... the mere fact the colors are OK does not mean that they are as good as they might be... or may be they will not any better - but you never know just because you do not have the profile from P1, that is the problem... if you will look @ DxOMark - color response tests (for daylight and tugsten) for Panasonic cameras you can see that numbers are not the same... the differences are certainly less than those for Pentax K5 vs Pentax K7 case...0 -
[quote="duartix" wrote:
Cheers Thomas!
I'm eager to get your word on C1 and GH2! 😊
How's it working?
Hi Duartix
After being successfull to get occasion to a test, I am getting some experience with C1.
Image qualtiy: it looks very good, although I'd say that the current profile tends to a slight magenta tint at default settings. Editing controls are generally good and responsive, I like highlight and shadow preservation a lot. Perspective correction is better than in Lightroom.
Usablity.
Coming from Lightroom, I really struggle with the session concept. I want to have all my images in a searchable, filterable "library", but I don't think that sessions is the stuff to do it. I haven't really figured out the best way to "import" images, which are already on my hard drive and keep them on that location. I have no idea, if I can "synchronize" folders with a current session context. I haven't figured out, where the real image browser is, I mean a complete grid view. I have either some sort of browser at the lower part or a filmstrip mode (much better in Lightroom though), but no real grid view (possibly overlooked by me). DAM features are very weak. The navigation from metadata properties to images, which actually contain that metadata, is much better in Lightroom. Reading how Expression Media and C1 integrates, tells me that this isn't really something, which I would call "integration". I hope that this will develop over time.
The usability is not on par with Lightroom's, by far, unfortunately. This isn't just an effect of being used to a known program. The editing tools aren't so logically organized. Worst of all some stuff seems to work only with P1 backs and lenses, which isn't clear form the user interface. The user manual is one of the worst I have seen so far. The printing component is a bit awkward to use, as it does not seem to keep the printer and the printer settings. Other applications (Qimage) can do that. I have setup my laser printer as the default printer. Each time I invoke the print dialog C1 reverts to this standard printer, although my standard printer for images is my Epson 3800. Even after reinvoking the print dialog in the same C1 session (running instance) the printer resets to the OS standard printer. Very bad usability. Great to have soft proofing though.
I bought the Luminous Landscape tutorials for instruction, which makes things a bit clearer over time.
However, I don't want to be negative only at this time. C1 is clearly better than Bibble 5 both with respect to usability and IQ. The race between Lightroom and C1 isn't that clear. With the final GH2 profile available in the future, I would extrapolate the current IQ to the extent that I would say that IQ from C1 beats LR3 clearly. However, I would think that the workflow and usability concept of C1 still needs a lot of work.
Things to get improved:
- documentation, freely available tutorials with much more depth and advice
- print section could be more user friendly
- DAM features or expression media integration
- UI efficiency
- less P1 specific stuff
- automatic lens corrections for every supported camera system (feasable?) or at least for m4/3 as the EXIF data contains the required lens correction data (Lightroom can intepret this data).
- Very often I have no clue, which tool is active - somehow. This leads to unwanted image alterations, when I click on the image by accident.
Things missing:
- gradient filter
- good image browser
However, these are preliminary impressions. I haven't explored the workspace customization options, which seems much better than Lightroom's. Very good is that I can assign keyboard shortcuts as I wish, so if I configure them so that I can mimick some Lightroom functions, it would help a lot.
Does anybody know if I can utilize Xrite Color Checker passport profiles in C1?
Conclusions so far: C1 is so good that I am inclined to buy to have an alternative to Lightroom, after Bibble 5 really does not make the cut.
Kind regards
Thomas0 -
[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
Coming from Lightroom, I really struggle with the session concept.
you really do not need to use sessions at all0 -
[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
DAM features are very weak.
god bless P1 that DAM is not pushed down our throats like Adobe does w/ LR... ACR is their excuse however.0 -
[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
The editing tools aren't so logically organized.
you can customize that to a certain extent, unlike w/ Adobe...[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
at least for m4/3 as the EXIF data contains the required lens correction data (Lightroom can intepret this data).
C1 corrects for Panasonic raw files behind the scenes0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
The editing tools aren't so logically organized.
you can customize that to a certain extent, unlike w/ Adobe...[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
at least for m4/3 as the EXIF data contains the required lens correction data (Lightroom can intepret this data).
C1 corrects for Panasonic raw files behind the scenes
I did not know that C1 corrects for Panasonic raw files behind the scenes.
The problem with "image management" (let's not calling it DAM) is that I have organized images in folders and subfolders.
The organization is like this
Master
Subject1
021011-021310
021311-021456
...
Subject2
010431-010501
The numbered folders reflect the image numbers contained in the folder and each folder represents a "bucket" of 300 images (after the organizing scheme of Peter Krogh). All this works well in Lightroom because I am able to see images in my browser even if they are located in subfolders (a clear advantage of a database catalog). In C1 it seems that I cannot see images in subfolders, if I use the system folder for image navigation.
So at least it seems that my image storage structure does not fit well with the way C1 accesses images.
The file organization was not a problem with Bibble and Lightroom because both can include subfolders. The transfer of new images into the folder scheme is not a problem, because I use ImageIngester for importing from cards, which can do all this automatically and creates a backup with the same folder structure during import.
So, I certainly won't reorganize my folder structure to something which works better with C1. I had hoped that I can import all my 20.000 images into one session to mimick Lightroom's catalog concept, but probably this won't be ideal (?).
While Lightroom's catalog approach does not fulfill all DAM requirements, it does make browsing and finding images a snap. To date, I find C1's image browsing capabilities rather limiting, unless somebody could enlighten me differently.
Kind regards0 -
[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
C1 corrects for Panasonic raw files behind the scenes
I did not know that C1 corrects for Panasonic raw files behind the scenes.
yes, it does - you can open GH2 + 20/1.7 raw file in DxO for example - I still have the trial version of DxO working from my latest check of that software and see huge barrel distortion (as DxO does not have 20/1.7 module for GH2) and when you open the same in C1 you will see that like in ACR/LR distortion is not present0 -
Your point about the catalog/session/browser issues fortunately are a bit mute to me as I'm an exclusive tree browser myself. Still I fully understand that it's giving you a headache with your image organization. For simple image browsing I just use the top left icon (Library) and browse away. Since I keep my master images centralised on my hard disk (with frequent backups to other disks) it fits the bill perfectly.
About tutorials, have you been here? http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Cap ... rials.aspx0 -
[quote="duartix" wrote:
Your point about the catalog/session/browser issues fortunately are a bit mute to me as I'm an exclusive tree browser myself. Still I fully understand that it's giving you a headache with your image organization. For simple image browsing I just use the top left icon (Library) and browse away. Since I keep my master images centralised on my hard disk (with frequent backups to other disks) it fits the bill perfectly.
About tutorials, have you been here? http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Cap ... rials.aspx
Ok, you browse over the tree. But don't you have a need sometimes to view images accross folders to judge them for quality? For example if you have a structure like this:
Towns
----Munich
---------shoot 1
---------shoot2
How can you look at all images from Munich at the same time in C1? I can't believe that P1 thinks that there isn't any case for this.0 -
[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
Ok, you browse over the tree. But don't you have a need sometimes to view images accross folders to judge them for quality? For example if you have a structure like this:
Towns
----Munich
---------shoot 1
---------shoot2
How can you look at all images from Munich at the same time in C1?
Try this: add both folders ('shoot1' and 'shoot2') to favorites. Next, select or create in Albums a smart album for all images.0 -
[quote="tgutgu" wrote:
Ok, you browse over the tree. But don't you have a need sometimes to view images accross folders to judge them for quality? For example if you have a structure like this:
Towns
----Munich
---------shoot 1
---------shoot2
How can you look at all images from Munich at the same time in C1? I can't believe that P1 thinks that there isn't any case for this.
Look at Paul's tip.
It never happened possibly because I still use ThumbsPlus (TP) to manage the folders (which is stupid with C1 (you can easily loose the processing settings when moving files if you're not careful), but you know, old habits from my Bibble phase are hard to loose...) and I can quickly tick an option on TP for viewing leafs from the whole tree.
Either that or perhaps because I organize my folders with less granularity, more logically than temporally, so similar files will end up flat in the same folder. My needs aren't just that particular.0
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