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Proof Profile Issue - Preview to Output different.

Skiman
Hi guys,

im trying the new version of C1 6.1.1 32 Bit, and am noticing a distinct difference between what the C1 preview window is showing, and what the output file looks like. Ive tried changing View --> Proof Profile --> Srgb. And have also selected the Output recipe (which is to output a full res, srgb jpeg file). Have also looked into base Characteristics ICC Profile and made sure it was set to the camera it was shot with (Canon 5DmkII).

Image is a raw file.

Im running identical dual monitors, both calibrated by a Spyder. Windows 7 32 bit.

The C1 preview image looks more like an A98 image, and the output looks like an srgb image. The thing is, the preview image doesnt change at all, no matter what Proof Profile i choose. That doesnt sound right to me - can someone please advise? Im using ACDSEE Pro Photo Manager to view the output file (which ive set to 'colour profile aware' settings and default of srgb).

I would dearly appreciate some advice on how to correct this or what im doing wrong, because the software is awesome and id really like to keep using it. But not being able to control what im seeing on screen as i adjust compared to the output image is a fail to me.

Ive done a reasonable amount of reading here about this and havent been able to find a solution - can you guys please help? 😕

Have a look at this image to see the differences im talking about.



http://www.ipanoramic.com.au/temp/C1%206%20Pro%20Profile%20Problem.jpg
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  • Skiman
    Looking further into this...

    i checked ACDSEE Colour Management settings and found that my monitor profile was set to SRGB rather than the profile Spyder had created. So i set the monitor profile to the correct one, and the image instantly looked the same as the one i was observing in C1!

    This then begs the question - what the heck is my customer seeing? Assuming im uploading these to a photogallery (such as smugmug), how can i tell theyre going to be looking at the picture i want them to look at?

    This whole colour profile thing is confusing the hell out of me. I just want to work on an image and have it look just the way i intended in print and on everyones monitor.

    Can you guys please suggest a place i can read up on this stuff so that im doing it properly?

    What are your workflows when it comes to this stuff?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Understanding color management...

    You can start your reading here, at Cambridge in Color. They have some nicely written tutorials.
    http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials.htm

    With regard to your Capture One Pro settings: set Proof Profile to Selected Recipe (Default). In your output recipe select sRGB (or AdobeRGB or what you like), but sRGB is best for web and monitors of your customers. Proof profiling is not I would be dealing without a basic understanding of color management. To scary. It can help you however to get an idea of how a print might look like (by selecting your printer profile, temporarily).

    Regarding your customers: it is entirely beyond your control as how they will see the images you prepared and delivered, unfortunately. You can only give them the best starting point from your well calibrated and adjusted setup.
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  • Skiman
    Thanks for that Paul.. appreciate your time in responding. I recall reading those tutorials some time ago, but im afraid that im still a little dumbfounded by it all. So frustrating.

    I see thumbnails in windows, and they look vibrant and well coloured, and not really resembling what i see in C1 Pro. If i upload the C1 Pro Srgb file to firefox, it looks just like it does in C1 Pro... so i presume that those are correctly colour managed? However, i personally prefer the more vibrant image i see if i open the same source image in Internet Explorer... or if i turn off colour management in ACDSEE.

    How do i make that vibrant srgb image i see in windos/ ACDSEE the one im seeing in C1 Pro? Is this done through importing ICC profiles into the 'basic characteristics' window?

    I would pay good money to see a video tute on how to set all of this up. *hint to C1 Pro* 😉

    And to think, a couple of years ago, i thought had this all down pat.. LOL.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Skiman, color management is not about what you like most, it is about what the best technical representation is. By the way, we are talking part color management, part rendering engine (that is the software that translate the RGB values into screen colors here, whether or not taking the image's color profile into account).

    Windows, in particular XP, has the worst reputation in history. ACDsee I can't comment on, but I would expect medium reputation, browsers... Firefox is getting close in recent releases, Safari was leading the pack (again, in color management terms), IE (on XP) is down and below. Capture One and Photoshop CSx are reference standards, in comparison.

    Just to get the picture...

    Having said that, this is a very interesting site with images with different color workspaces, with or without color profiles embedded into them and same not tagged as having the profile. Hover your mouse over the images. Only a very few browsers survive.
    http://www.gballard.net/psd/srgbforwww.html#

    The bottom line is that you get your image in Capture One as you like it. That's your reference. Next, go out for a good tool that matches these colors in viewing, in a slide show or whatever. I think that ACDsee does a decent job. You know that CO6 does a nice job in viewing and slide showing your images as well?
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