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C1Pro Library

Apple Corps
I've searched around a bit for this topic but am not clear as to the location AND content of C1Pro image library.

My boot and applications drive failed recently - good news is that my images (and other data) were backed up and in too many cases there are triplicates and more 🤓

The bad news is that the haphazard job I have been doing in manually backing files up has created backup location chaos on my MacPro with all 4 internal drive bays used.

So, it is time to clean this mess up and I will pay much closer attention as to how this will be done going forward !!!!!!!

I want to keep C1Pro on my boot and applications drive BUT NOT have any images stored on that boot and applications drive. In Aperture this is called a "referenced" image file I think. Would one of you experts please provide a brief layman's summary of how to avoid any C1Pro image files being stored on my boot and applications drive?

Thanks

MacPro running 10.7.2 with all internal drive bays populated (no RAID card yet though).
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  • Apple Corps
    Let me expand on the question a bit - I read somewhere that the C1Pro library is NOT like the Aperture library in that it uses the Mac OSX "Pictures" by default and that can not be changed. It can be erased after you have populated another drive with the info but the default puts all the image data on the same drive as your boot and application drive. Populating another drive and than emptying the "Picture" folder is not of interest to me.

    So the C1Pro library does not store the image data but the image data winds up where I don't want it - am I understanding this correctly?
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  • Mark Batchelour
    C1 adjustments and previews are held in the "CaptureOne" folder that is created wherever your source images are. So put your images somewhere on your non-boot drive (Mine is called "Disk2/Photos" for example), and open the images in C1, and it creates a folder called "CaptureOne" (mine is therefore "Disk2/Photos/CaptureOne"). In this folder are a bunch of files that represent the adjustment steps, variants and preview images.

    C1 does by default create a session in Pictures when first opened, but you don't have to use it.

    Aperture has a slightly different system, It's referenced images are stored outside the library, the same as above, but the adjustments and previews are kept in the Aperture library. So effectively, all the equivalents of the "CaptureOne"folders are in one big package called the aperture library. Neither is right, or wrong, they are just different.


    Does that answer the question?

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  • Apple Corps
    Mark - thanks for the explanation. If we were to "get info" on the C1 folder(s) on your boot drive (where the C1 application resides I assume) would we see a very few bytes on those files?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    In addition to Mark's explanation, the following.

    If you have multiple drives or volumes in your system, which is quite common in Mac Pro systems, you can reassign the user's Home Folders including ~/Pictures to another drive. This is an OS X maintenance task.
    It is my understanding the the default Capture One Library session folders will be created on that drive instead on the boot drive with applications. The session file *.col50 inside that session folder does not contain image adjustments.

    Apart from that, you can always create sessions with images inside these sessions and/or store and open images on another internal drive in your system. As Mark stated, your image adjustments are stored in sub folder to the image folder.
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  • Apple Corps
    Paul - thank you as well.

    I am beginning to think the easier solution for me would be to NOT use my editing software to import the images. Perhaps I should just create the folders I want to use on the drive and manually drag the image files from the CF card to those folders. Would I be able to open those images - edit them - but the large image file remain in the original location?

    Will I be creating some problems with C1Pro that I am not seeing at the moment?

    BTW - there have been a number of technical things in life where I run into a mental roadblock - simply not grasping the organizational concept or architecture of something and then resorting to a "monkey see monkey do" flailing around approach. Getting my images in C1Pro to the drive I want them on and keeping them off my boot and application drive is one of them - sorry to be so duh on this but I need to get this sorted out before I flail around even more 🙄
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  • Mark Batchelour
    just create the folders I want to use on the drive and manually drag the image files from the CF card to those folders


    That's exactly what I do. And I suspect many other user too. It works a treat. Copy them across, then just browse to them in C1 and thy open up as you would expect.


    The original raw image file is never actually edited. The adjustments are stored separately (in the CaptureOne folder with the images as mentioned above), and then combined when you do the "process" step to generate the output image.

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  • Apple Corps
    Been away for a bit cleaning up all the wind storm debris we had on the west coast - what a mess !!

    So - please let me know if I finally have this understood correctly:

    OSX 10.7.2 and C1P reside on my boot and application drive - I manually drag a 20MB image from my CF card to drive X in my MacPro - I browse to that image via C1P and sharpen it, remove some dust spots, saturate some colors, and close that image file.

    My "master" 20MB image remains on drive X, the edit adjustments are also stored on drive X, and my boot and application drive remains the same size as the image and adjustments are on drive X.

    I am being a bit retentive on this point as I've had difficulty grasping the file structure and many hours of work will start happening based on my correctly grasping this point 😕
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    I think you get the picture right. 😉

    Not intending to confuse (otherwise ignore) but you can still use the import feature of CO6 to copy (or move) your images from CF card to drive X and have copyright, preset or style (with metadata for example) added on the fly.
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  • Apple Corps
    Paul - I am willing to test my synaptic functioning this morning 😄

    From within C1P - in beginners terms - how is that done?


    BTW - FWIW - I have been looking at the tutorials and reading the manual. As a beginner, my impression is that they are a bit too general to be of the desired help - I find myself "stuck" many times as to what I should do next to achieve the result. Photoshop is too complex for my needs and not intuitive. Aperture is very intuitive for me. C1P gives me slightly better images (I think) but not as easy to grasp.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="Apple Corps" wrote:
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    From within C1P - in beginners terms - how is that done?

    What? The import or the copyright, preset, style thingy? (not to forget: renaming during import; great feature)
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  • Apple Corps
    Paul - the steps to move the image file & data from my CF card directly to drive x through the C1P import function.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Just to add to Paul's expertise...Capture One has many video tutorials (on YouTube) that explain various features and functions...they are a good adjunct to the manual...as is Paul.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... l1.5.3l9l0
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  • Apple Corps
    John4 - as mentioned earlier, I've viewed those as well as read the manual. They are a bit too general for the detail needed to really make things fly easily.

    At any rate I am starting this evening to reorganize my images and will see how things go.

    I will report back as to my progress or synaptic collapse - whichever 😂
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="Apple Corps" wrote:
    Paul - the steps to move the image file & data from my CF card directly to drive x through the C1P import function.

    The Import Images dialog may open automatically when you connect your CF card, or you open it from the File menu. The dialog has a lot of features, some not immediately visible to the casual observer. For a start the dialog might look like this:

    http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h366/Paul_S57/CO6_Import.png

    At the left you find the tools. The Location tool has From (optional) and To fields. With the To field you determine where to copy your image files to. Additionally you can have a sub folder created in the folder you select in the To field. You can copy to the Capture or Selects session folders or any folder with the Select folder... option (click to open), like your Drive X. You can also assign a backup location to create a backup set of your images on the fly while importing. Manage the tool from the tool's context menu (small triangle on the right of the tool's title bar, next to the question mark).

    When I focus on the Location and Naming tools, and explore some options, it might look like this.

    http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h366/Paul_S57/CO6_Import2b.png

    Note that I also used the Naming tool to have each image renamed during import from IMG_8835.CR2 to PS111213-001 (initials-YYMMDD-3 digit counter). You can create your own token set and save it as a preset for quick applying. You can set the counter from the the tool's context menu.

    As you can see I selected an image. The import tool allows selective import from the card. I think this covers the basics for image import with CO6.
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