Media Pro Se not updating previews from C1 9
Hi All,
Been using C1 9 for a few weeks now. Originally had iView Media Pro years ago, but just recently updated to Media Pro SE.
So now C1-9 and MP-SE are both on the latest updated versions. I have watched numerous videos, although most seem to be older versions, but I can't seem to get ME-SE to update it's RAW previews as I've seen done in at least one video (youtube). I have both dragged from folders, and exported directly out of C1-9. With both processes I only get the original imported preview. If I make changes to an image in C1-9, thus a variant, MP-SE still only shows the original preview.
Any thoughts on what I'm missing here???
Thanks.
-Sol
Been using C1 9 for a few weeks now. Originally had iView Media Pro years ago, but just recently updated to Media Pro SE.
So now C1-9 and MP-SE are both on the latest updated versions. I have watched numerous videos, although most seem to be older versions, but I can't seem to get ME-SE to update it's RAW previews as I've seen done in at least one video (youtube). I have both dragged from folders, and exported directly out of C1-9. With both processes I only get the original imported preview. If I make changes to an image in C1-9, thus a variant, MP-SE still only shows the original preview.
Any thoughts on what I'm missing here???
Thanks.
-Sol
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OK, reading other post here, seems that some are saying that the "image updating" feature only works for the "Sessions" mode of C1-9, not the "Catalog" mode. Is this indeed the case still? Seems kind of hard to believe that cataloging software for Capture One would not see the adjustments made there. Is this correct? Or again, have I set something up wrong?
And again, I am new to C1, been using Lightroom since it's beginning. Before that I used iView Media Pro. But the Capture One videos I've watched seem to encourage the use of C1-9 catalog for importing. Its this not the best choice?
Thanks for any hep here.
- Sol0 -
it works fine !
1. let C1 create XMP fiels
2. inside MP SE change the Rending Engine from Apple to Phase One
3. inside MP go to Preview Setting und uncheck the pre RAW thumbinal " somthing like this ..."
4. in C1 seleckt all your images right mouse send to MP.
5. wait untel MP finsh generating thumbinal
thats it it works gread with session.0 -
[quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
it works fine !
1. let C1 create XMP fiels
2. inside MP SE change the Rending Engine from Apple to Phase One
3. inside MP go to Preview Setting und uncheck the pre RAW thumbinal " somthing like this ..."
4. in C1 seleckt all your images right mouse send to MP.
5. wait untel MP finsh generating thumbinal
thats it it works gread with session.
First of all, thank you for the reply, and suggestions. Much appreciated.
I guess I should qualify how I arrived at where I'm at. I tried out Capture One 9, based on numerous online reviews complimenting it's RAW processing abilities over Lightroom, which as mentioned previously, I have been using LR since it's beta days.I loved C1-9 immediately, and could certainly see the difference.
So I started processing numerous images through importing function into the C1-9 catalog. I quickly found short-comings compared to my workflow in LR, in culling images. So I continued culling and sorting in LR. I do no image edits there, only add owner copyright metadata, etc. I have LR set to create XMP sidecars for all images. I then imported those images into C1-9, allowing C1 to reference my xmp metadata settings from LR. Copyright metadata all appeared in my C1 catalog image info. From within C1-9, I then edited many folders of images over the last few weeks.
This past weekend I decided to give Media Pro SE a try, having seen that it "integrates with C1". Also, as mentioned I was very familiar with the old iView Media Pro, and Expressions Media versions. Figured it should be a quick ramp-up.
So...
"1. let C1 create XMP files"
--- I have made complete edits in C1, so it has certainly made changes to the XMP I would think.
2. inside MP SE change the Rending Engine from Apple to Phase One
--- I had already done that.
3. inside MP go to Preview Setting und uncheck the pre RAW thumbinal " somthing like this ..."
--- Not sure what you mean here. I have set up the MP and C1 settings as per the video you mentioned.
Back to my OP, MP shows the RAW files, but, a.) they don't show C1 edits. b.) If I right-click a MP file that has already been edited in C1, not only is it not showing the previous edits, but right-clicking to open in C1, opens the "Import" dialog box in C1, like it's not already there. Even though I can see the previously edited file right there in my catalog in C1.
4. in C1 seleckt all your images right mouse send to MP.
--- I've tried this, and they will appear in MP through this process, but again, they don'y show the Catalog edits form C1.
5. wait untel MP finsh generating thumbinal
--- Tried refreshing the thumbs in both thumb and Media views, but no change.
Thanks again for your time, and all your help.
- Sol0 -
tray to uncheck the integrated miniature view
you find it in MP SE Menü --> Edit ...> miniature preview. i am using a german version ..
and the embedded preview in the rendering setting " RAW"
if this not work, make a test with a small c1 Session Catalog,
because i am using C1 only in Session Mod and don't have Problem wit it .
TIPP : C1 in Session Mode works moor flexible to any Workflow you like, you could go around with your images
every where you like. i am using it since year with no problem.
Here is my Workflow .
one Session Catalog on HD . include all my Images from 2016.
the rest sessions for 2015 , 2014 , 2013 ..... are stored on USB-Backup .
the new year started with new session 2017 and i just move the 2016 Session folder to USB Backup...0 -
There's nothing worse than someone critiquing your method rather than help, but I must ask.
Why would you want to use Media Pro and C1 catalog together?
I Believe the idea is to use Media Pro as your catalog, and C1 as an editor in Sessions mode only.
Now I could be wrong, but I believe thats the intended workflow.0 -
use Media Pro as your catalog, and C1 as an editor in Sessions mode only.
Jimmy,
Is this workflow good? I am interested as I am so frustrated by C1 as a catalog. C1 waste so much time every time I hit a Tif file thumbnail if the file is 1, 2 GB - let's not even mention >3GB0 -
Media Pro catalogs are more robust than Capture One catalogs. My current Media Pro catalog is 6.5GB, has over 140 000 items and opens instantly. If I wanted to I could use multiple catalogs and search across all of them. 0 -
[quote="NNN635730126589323397" wrote:
use Media Pro as your catalog, and C1 as an editor in Sessions mode only.
Jimmy,
Is this workflow good? I am interested as I am so frustrated by C1 as a catalog. C1 waste so much time every time I hit a Tif file thumbnail if the file is 1, 2 GB - let's not even mention >3GB
The only issue I have with Media Pro (I'm sure everyone is tired of me crying about it 🙄 ) is that it does not honor C1 color when sending the file as an email.
When it converts the NEF to a jpeg, the colors get all saturated. Now this is on my Mac, so your millage may vary.
I guess a workaround is saving the file as a jpeg in C1, then sending it. I wasn't interested in doing that.
Now there is another Catalog App called Photo Supreme that works pretty well and has a few more features. If you still haven't committed, i'd give it a look.
It tries to honor C1 adjustments but falls short. Its also a tad slow. Not terrible but not as fast as Media Pro.0 -
[quote="Jimmy D Uptain" wrote:
There's nothing worse than someone critiquing your method rather than help, but I must ask.
Why would you want to use Media Pro and C1 catalog together?
I Believe the idea is to use Media Pro as your catalog, and C1 as an editor in Sessions mode only.
Now I could be wrong, but I believe thats the intended workflow.
Well, as mentioned in my OP, I have used LR since it's beta days. I like LR for it's (original location) folder hierarchy, which allows for my custom folder layout for my shoots, be it Portrait, Nature, Architecture, etc. (They can be different.) Like LR, C1 catalog does that, though it is less flexible. The "Sessions" process as I've read it, auto-loads what it considers a standard format of four folders. For my various outputs (website, web galleries, iPad, prints, Wall Prints, etc.) I have my own custom template set of folders. I make a duplicate of this and I'm off and running. And LR easily allows all this. LR is also easier to fix, if a link gets broken (name change, etc.), I quickly found out.
LR's Web Module's gallery creation abilities is extensive, and it's Print Module is superb. I always print from there, and have for years. So, I was hoping for similar cataloging abilities from within C1, but being able to switch over to Media Pro and have it see those adjustments made (like a crop for instance), like it does with the "Sessions". Still not getting why Media Pro would allow for one and not the other.
Media Pro does have the advantage of seeing ALL types of files, something LR nor C1 does. So I have continued to use Media Pro over the years for that reason.
Maybe I've missed something with the C1 "Sessions" format? Can you set it up to work with your own custom set of folder names, etc.?
Thanks.
- Sol0 -
The only issue I have with Media Pro (I'm sure everyone is tired of me crying about it 🙄 ) is that it does not honor C1 color when sending the file as an email.
MEDIA PRO and CAPTURE ONE ARE INDEPENDENT SOFTWARE !
there is one DB Catalog for C1 and one for Media Pro,they dont schear bowth on DB Catalog.
this will also not work if you makes variant pictures in C1 and search for it inside MP.
as i know, MP is only a Browse looking inside your large DATA on the MAC,
my experence showed mee if you are using a Photograf Workflow on the MAC, then i recomend you
to use C1 9 and its DAM only .
MP ist not 100% Workflow Compatibel with C1.
how need Media Pro could find its advantage by self.. otherwise its confusing and speculation... etc.0 -
[quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
The only issue I have with Media Pro (I'm sure everyone is tired of me crying about it 🙄 ) is that it does not honor C1 color when sending the file as an email.
MEDIA PRO and CAPTURE ONE ARE INDEPENDENT SOFTWARE !
there is one DB Catalog for C1 and one for Media Pro,they dont schear bowth on DB Catalog.
this will also not work if you makes variant pictures in C1 and search for it inside MP.
as i know, MP is only a Browse looking inside your large DATA on the MAC,
my experence showed mee if you are using a Photograf Workflow on the MAC, then i recomend you
to use C1 9 and its DAM only .
MP ist not 100% Workflow Compatibel with C1.
how need Media Pro could find its advantage by self.. otherwise its confusing and speculation... etc.
You know, I didn't ask for your input.
But since you had to throw in, I'll reply.
If Media pro can generate a thumbnail that renders C1 colors correctly, there should be no reason why it cannot export that same thumbnail in an email.0 -
[quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
The only issue I have with Media Pro (I'm sure everyone is tired of me crying about it 🙄 ) is that it does not honor C1 color when sending the file as an email.
MEDIA PRO and CAPTURE ONE ARE INDEPENDENT SOFTWARE !
there is one DB Catalog for C1 and one for Media Pro,they dont schear bowth on DB Catalog.
this will also not work if you makes variant pictures in C1 and search for it inside MP.
as i know, MP is only a Browse looking inside your large DATA on the MAC,
my experence showed mee if you are using a Photograf Workflow on the MAC, then i recomend you
to use C1 9 and its DAM only .
MP ist not 100% Workflow Compatibel with C1.
how need Media Pro could find its advantage by self.. otherwise its confusing and speculation... etc.
Well, if this is true, then it is a workflow design issue that Phase One seriously needs to address.
Myself, as with many or their photographers are continuing to look for a serious alternate to their workflows, other than Adobe. I have have almost 20 years of history with Photoshop and other apps in the Adobe Creative Suite 6, including Lightroom. I use them everyday. But, I am fed up with Adobe's subscription business model. Good model for them, not for the end user. Unless, you are a large studio with a 100 or more seats.
Phase One has an opportunity it's here to "capture" a whole bunch of new customers. But they need to make these apps fluid in their compatibility. Image updating across apps is a pretty standard, and necessary ability. Adobe does it across all their apps, LR, Photoshop, Bridge, etc.. if Media Pro is Phase One's answer to DAM, then it has to talk to Capture One's "catalog" format as it does the "Sessions" format. Or at least allow for more customized folders in the Sessions layout format. For me to crop an Image in C1 catalog, and not see that cropped image as it currently looks in MP, is kind of ridiculous. Makes MP somewhat irrelevant to the process of seeing what you actually have. Just my opinion.
So it seems the answer to my OP is, No, Media Pro does not update the image from Capture One's "Catalog" adjustments. Only from "Sessions", which is a 4-folder format. Bummer. 😐0 -
So it seems the answer to my OP is, No, Media Pro does not update the image from Capture One's "Catalog" adjustments. Only from "Sessions", which is a 4-folder format. Bummer
i am sorry for your disappointment, but right now its truth.
MP works with Session catalog , because its have such building concept inside " look inside a folder and find what's there, and show only the known format "
a simple standard concept for a DAM. nothing is new,
all DAM works the same.
but C1 is the problem, just look inside your c1 Catalog , look how many folders there controlling one
image , there are bunch of data format working for one image its a complex.. how cares ,, i am only a user not the developer this Programm.
i was helping
in the test period for MP SE beta version and i found that the main topic at Phase one was to shows the correct color engine
in booth MP and Capture one 9, now MP SE shows it great but you have to change your Workflow from
Catalog to session. like i did . 😉
generally i would like to ask the other user here some questions :
is the DAM inside C1 9 not enough to Manage photo ?
did some one tray it completely for his workflow ?
what are missing there ?0 -
[quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
So it seems the answer to my OP is, No, Media Pro does not update the image from Capture One's "Catalog" adjustments. Only from "Sessions", which is a 4-folder format. Bummer
i am sorry for your disappointment, but right now its truth.
MP works with Session catalog , because its have such building concept inside " look inside a folder and find what's there, and show only the known format "
a simple standard concept for a DAM. nothing is new,
all DAM works the same.
but C1 is the problem, just look inside your c1 Catalog , look how many folders there controlling one
image , there are bunch of data format working for one image its a complex.. how cares ,, i am only a user not the developer this Programm.
i was helping
in the test period for MP SE beta version and i found that the main topic at Phase one was to shows the correct color engine
in booth MP and Capture one 9, now MP SE shows it great but you have to change your Workflow from
Catalog to session. like i did . 😉
generally i would like to ask the other user here some questions :
is the DAM inside C1 9 not enough to Manage photo ?
did some one tray it completely for his workflow ?
what are missing there ?
Thanks, man. I do appreciate you trying to help. Seems like Phase One needs to adjust their thinking a bit and hopefully address it. 😕0 -
is the DAM inside C1 9 not enough to Manage photo ?
did some one tray it completely for his workflow ?
what are missing there ?
I did try C1 (and use it) completely for my workflow but it is very cumbersome and restrictive: no PSD, Tif files over a certain size (>2GB?) can't be seen, very slow etc etc
The C1/session + MP is not smooth enough for me.0 -
[quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
So it seems the answer to my OP is, No, Media Pro does not update the image from Capture One's "Catalog" adjustments. Only from "Sessions", which is a 4-folder format. Bummer
i am sorry for your disappointment, but right now its truth.
Thanks for confirming this and that I have not gone mad, I have used C1 for sometime and I am trialling Media Pro SE to see if I can get rid of Lr.
IMHO it is very shortsighted from Phase One not to get Media Pro SE to render C1 previews and adjustments if using C1 in catalogue mode. It is completely illogical. I will buy Media Pro SE without any hesitation if capable of rendering C1 previews and adjustments when using C1 in catalogue mode.
It will great if Phase One could address this sooner rather than later. Happy to create a support case for this.0 -
I agree with you. Doesn't even start to make sense, specially since C1 is so slow that it can't be used as a catalog. 0
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