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Achieving similar results as Lightroom

Andrew105
Hi,

I am migrating, or should I say graduating from Lightroom to Capture One.

I'm loving the quality of image processing in CO, however I am having problems mimicing some of the effects I am able to achieve in Lightroom.

In particular I'm wondering if I can replicate the 'Recovery', 'Fill Light' and 'Blacks' sliders in Lightoom. I don't seem to be able to replicate what these do in CO at the moment. These three sliders are obviously affecting the histogram so I would have thought the controls in CO would be able to do the same thing but I can't work it out.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Andrew
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  • Jonathan Gilbert
    Hi Andrew,

    Glad to have you on our side! Recovery and Fill light are very similar to High Dynamic Range Highlight and Shadow tools in Capture One. Black level can be achieved by moving the shadow slider in the levels tool.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Andrew, I am not that much familiar with Lightroom, but may I assume you already tried the Levels sliders (black, grey and white point), the highlight recovery in the HDR tool and the brightness slider?
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  • Robert Goldstein
    [quote="Paul_E" wrote:
    Andrew, I am not that much familiar with Lightroom, but may I assume you already tried the Levels sliders (black, grey and white point), the highlight recovery in the HDR tool and the brightness slider?


    I have also recently moved from LR to C1. The Levels tool is extremely useful, and I use it for most of my brightness adjustments. Black point and white point can be set by moving the upper dots of those particular sliders. LR does not have any means of setting the white point other than by adjusting Exposure or Recovery, which sometimes means squeezing the highligts up against the right side of the histogram. With the Levels tool, you can actually stretch the highlights, if you so choose.

    Rob
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="robgo2" wrote:
    [quote="Paul_E" wrote:
    Andrew, I am not that much familiar with Lightroom, but may I assume you already tried the Levels sliders (black, grey and white point), the highlight recovery in the HDR tool and the brightness slider?
    ...
    The Levels tool is extremely useful, and I use it for most of my brightness adjustments. Black point and white point can be set by moving the upper dots of those particular sliders.
    ...
    With the Levels tool, you can actually stretch the highlights, if you so choose.

    Rob,
    I agree about the usefulness of the levels tool in CO5. Regarding the upper sliders of the tool, I would like to rephrase your statement. Black and white point are set with the lower sliders. The upper sliders determine the target levels and can also be set to a new default in the preferences. Target levels are in particular useful for prepress preparation and other situations in which you want to prevent very low (near 0) and very high (nearing 255) levels. In CMYK printing there must be something to be print in the highlights and target levels allow you to control that (proof print to CMYK and review the ink percentage of the highlight).
    Visually, it may appear that you recovered highlights (for example when you have the highlight warning turned on).
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  • Robert Goldstein
    [quote="Paul_E" wrote:
    [quote="robgo2" wrote:
    [quote="Paul_E" wrote:
    Andrew, I am not that much familiar with Lightroom, but may I assume you already tried the Levels sliders (black, grey and white point), the highlight recovery in the HDR tool and the brightness slider?
    ...
    The Levels tool is extremely useful, and I use it for most of my brightness adjustments. Black point and white point can be set by moving the upper dots of those particular sliders.
    ...
    With the Levels tool, you can actually stretch the highlights, if you so choose.

    Rob,
    I agree about the usefulness of the levels tool in CO5. Regarding the upper sliders of the tool, I would like to rephrase your statement. Black and white point are set with the lower sliders. The upper sliders determine the target levels and can also be set to a new default in the preferences. Target levels are in particular useful for prepress preparation and other situations in which you want to prevent very low (near 0) and very high (nearing 255) levels. In CMYK printing there must be something to be print in the highlights and target levels allow you to control that (proof print to CMYK and review the ink percentage of the highlight).
    Visually, it may appear that you recovered highlights (for example when you have the highlight warning turned on).


    Paul,

    Your description is much more precise than mine. Black and white points are adjusted with both the top and bottom sliders. Thanks for helping me and the OP.
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  • Andrew105
    Hi,

    Thanks for the information you have provided me.

    However, try as I might I cannot seem to make Capture one produce the kind of 'special effects' that I can achieve from Lightroom.

    This is the kind of RAW image adjustment I can get in Lightroom:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewareo ... 440835460/

    And here is a screenshot of the settings in Lightroom:

    http://www.andrewareoff.com/wp-content/ ... ture-1.jpg

    Is it just the case that with the extra sliders in Lightoom like 'Fill Light', 'Recovery', 'Vibrancy' you can achieve these results that just aren't possible in Capture One.

    I really love the sheer quality of the RAW processing that takes place in Capture One but I'm fustrated by the inability to replicate some of the effects possible in Lightroom.

    Can anybody shed any light on this?
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  • Robert Goldstein
    [quote="Andrew105" wrote:
    Hi,

    Thanks for the information you have provided me.

    However, try as I might I cannot seem to make Capture one produce the kind of 'special effects' that I can achieve from Lightroom.

    This is the kind of RAW image adjustment I can get in Lightroom:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewareo ... 440835460/

    And here is a screenshot of the settings in Lightroom:

    http://www.andrewareoff.com/wp-content/ ... ture-1.jpg

    Is it just the case that with the extra sliders in Lightoom like 'Fill Light', 'Recovery', 'Vibrancy' you can achieve these results that just aren't possible in Capture One.

    I really love the sheer quality of the RAW processing that takes place in Capture One but I'm fustrated by the inability to replicate some of the effects possible in Lightroom.

    Can anybody shed any light on this?


    Andrew,

    I don't know how to create that look in C1, but I'm fairly confident that you could do it with one of the filters in Nik's Color Efex Pro (e.g. Tonal Contrast.) Of course, that would require working in Photoshop in TIFF format, not RAW, but at some point you have to convert from RAW anyhow. As I see it, RAW editing is great, but it should not be considered an end in itself.

    Rob
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  • Andrew105
    Thanks Rob and I think you are right. There is no one stop shop here - lightroom excels when it comes to filters and effects like this but C1 does seem to process raw images better. So several software is needed to cover all the bases.

    Cheers
    andrew
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  • deejjjaaaa
    [quote="Andrew105" wrote:

    Can anybody shed any light on this?

    what you are looking for is not a raw conversion domain, but rather postprocessing domain and there you are better off w/ Photoshop (C1 -> .tiff -> PS) or similar tools.
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