Is it just me or is Capture One about the least...
Popular of all raw converters, or does it just seems that way.
What seems to be the most popular to least.
LR (all versions)
Aperture
Capture NX2 (Nikon users)
DXO
View NX (Nikon users)
Silkypix
Raw therapee
Capture one 5.1
Bibble
Phocus
Anyone else have thoughts on this?
What seems to be the most popular to least.
LR (all versions)
Aperture
Capture NX2 (Nikon users)
DXO
View NX (Nikon users)
Silkypix
Raw therapee
Capture one 5.1
Bibble
Phocus
Anyone else have thoughts on this?
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Depends who you are talking to, I think. Remains my question: what's your point you like to make? Talking about volumes, discussing high-end niche products? Your call. 0 -
I'd be interested to know your "methodology" for assessing this popularity list, Ben.
Ignoring Aperture and Phocus, which are Mac-specific - and I've never even heard of Phocus - and View NX/NX2, I'd suggest that Cap One is well ahead of Silkypix - I don't personally know of a single user (even the official UK reseller of the software, who I know personally, is a fan of Cap One!); and Bibble 5 - very inconsistent IQ; and that Raw Therapee is popular because it's both good and free, but that it is way down the popularity pecking order from Cap One.
(I should point out I've been a big fan and user of Raw Therapee since v 1.x RC; and I've used Bibble since early in 2006, so I've been around and involved in various online discussions about these - and Cap One and Lr, which I've also used for a long while - for years. I'm very "converter agnostic" and will use whatever does the job - I'm not a Cap One fanboy).
DXO? Hard to say where that fits in, but it tends to be most popular with folk who have very specific high ISO needs - it has an awful UI and was desperately slow on my machine, and I've read many reports of its tendency to crash.
It's interesting that you don't even mention what I'll bet is the most-used RAW converter by a country mile - Adobe ACR.
I'll also bet that Canon's DPP, which is free with every Canon DSLR, outdoes NX2 and View NX: NX2 because DPP is free; and View NX because that's just a glorified viewer rather than an fully-specced RAW converter, which DPP certainly is.
Oh - and UFRaw will be hugely popular among the Linux/Open Source Gimp user community.
So no, I reckon that your list probably doesn't have much basis in reality, Ben!
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I would agree with you that - in terms of pure bang for the buck and overall effectiveness - Lr 3 is certainly the best of the bunch right now.0 -
Keith, for your information, Phocus is Hasselblad's raw software and is released for Windows recently. Also recently on Mac, it uses OS X raw engine to convert DSLR files, mimicking Capture One's behaviour (support both Phase One backs and DSLRs). I believe it is a niche inside the niche if not less. 0 -
Hi Paul,
your point noted - thanks for the correction.0 -
I went based on how many times I hear about it amongst , photographers I know and what I read about in forums. It's not scientific 😕
I didn't know Aperture was Mac specific.. but I do hear about it a lot.. ugh.
Honestly I don't care about "the most popular" as I am often against "herd mentality" and I do like Capture one by far, the best. I can even prove that it handles color better than Capture NX2. 😄 (the guys in the CNX flickr group refuse to acknowledge this) 😉
Anyways, just trying to make conversation...0 -
These "photographers" you've heard...are they actual working commercial and advertising photographers or hobby/weekend photographers?
From my understanding, the real working pros are fully staffed with digital techs and they all shoot with digital MF backs--PhaseONE is one of the creme-de-la-creme providers of digital backs. It made sense for these studios to use CaptureONE since it comes with their backs.
Although I earn an honest and modest living from professional photography, I am no where near that level. When it came time to pick a RAW converter, it was between the ubiquitous ACR that came with Adobe Photoshop or invest CaptureONE PRO.
Again from my understanding, CaptureONE and ACR/LR are like the Nikons and Canons of the RAW. You can bring into discussions Bibble or DXO, and what not.
My comment on DXO is that is a very niche-specific software suitable for architectural photography. I consider DXO to be a large, bloated "plugin" rather than as a RAW converter. Its UI is horrendously grotesque and processing TIFFS are slow.0 -
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From my understanding, the real working pros are fully staffed with digital techs and they all shoot with digital MF backs.
That can hardly be right, Roland - several of my friends are very successful professional wildlife photographers, and they never go anywhere near a studio or a digital back.
Likewise sports photographers, gig photographers, event photographers...0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="ronald.n.tan" wrote:
From my understanding, the real working pros are fully staffed with digital techs and they all shoot with digital MF backs.
That can hardly be right, Roland - several of my friends are very successful professional wildlife photographers, and they never go anywhere near a studio or a digital back.
Likewise sports photographers, gig photographers, event photographers...
Bold what Keith probably was more specific too.[quote="ronald.n.tan" wrote:
These "photographers" you've heard...are they actual working commercial and advertising photographers or hobby/weekend photographers?
From my understanding, the real working pros are fully staffed with digital techs and they all shoot with digital MF backs--PhaseONE is one of the creme-de-la-creme providers of digital backs.
Dslr's have and maybe the only type of camera for wildlife or sports photographers. A DSLR does studio shoots just fine. Just that MF backs can do it better.
One of the big selling points of Capture one for me, is that it comes from a company that actually makes cameras too!
Adobe.. nope
Apple... iphone camera doesn't count.
DxO... nope
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You can add photojournalists to my list..!
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Interestingly(?) DP Review recently ran a poll: Which application do you most often use to develop raw files?
The answers are illuminating and broadly in line with what I'd suggested up the page: Adobe at the top of the pile, camera manufacturer's own converters next, then Cap One as the most popular "independent".
Finished: Oct 4, 2010, Votes: 17987
Lightroom 32.1% (5777 votes)
Photoshop / Elements (Adobe Camera Raw) 25.2% (4541 votes)
Manufacturer's own software 16.0% (2870 votes)
Capture One 9.3% (1665 votes)
Other 7.0% (1254 votes)
Aperture 6.2% (1120 votes)
DXO Optics Pro 2.5% (447 votes)
Bibble Pro 1.7% (313 votes)0 -
It does not surprise me that Lightroom is at the top of the heap. It is tough to go up against Adobe marketing machine, and deep pockets. What does amuse me is how many are duped into believing Lightroom is a good product. Just goes to show you how many people are swayed by features, bells and whistles. Anybody that I have spoken to about CO has tried it, and gradually preferred the workflow over their existing software. They all state hands down the image quality is superior. 0 -
I think CaptureONE should do more effort in evangelism towards the DSLR market. I feet that we have a larger group, we could make more requests towards practical tools.
Right now, CaptureONE's bread and butter are their digital back users and I can understand from their point of view that these people whom paid upwards of 10K+ on a system is their priority when it comes to technical support and creating new tools.
Does it make an interesting topic. Even this forum is "dead" compared to the Adobe forums. Granted, the quantities of Adobe Users >> C1 Users.
I think us C1 users should conduct our own evangelism and do our attempt to proliferate C1 to the masses.0 -
Actually I have done a good bit of talking CO up to any DSLR user, and have success in converting folks. There is one forum over at Nikon Rumors though whose users seem hopelessly devoted to either Lightroom, or Capture NX. I think I am the only CO user in there. 🙄 Some people never get it.. 0 -
It is all marketing. I never heard of CaptureOne before my local camera dealer sponsored along with C1 a seminar/workshop that included the LE software a little over a year ago. Jon Gilbert was the one doing the presentation, and I decided at that point to work with it for a trial period. I have never gone back and I was a an Aperture and PS user at that point. I hear this from other DSLR users also online. Once they have tried it and worked with it, they have abandoned what they were processing with before and switched to C1 Pro.
Within a few days after the workshop/seminar I bought the upgrade to the Pro version. So it really is a matter of getting users to try and work with it.0 -
[quote="Paul1921" wrote:
What does amuse me is how many are duped into believing Lightroom is a good product. Just goes to show you how many people are swayed by features, bells and whistles.
Uuummm...
Lr 3 is a good product. Indeed, it's extremely good - it's conversions are as good as any from any converter. I'm not at all interested in its bells and whistles, only IQ, and - be in no doubt - Lr 3 lacks for nothing in that regard.
It is perfectly possible to enjoy the quality of images converted by Cap One without being blind to the undeniable benefits of other software...0 -
[quote="ronald.n.tan" wrote:
Even this forum is "dead" compared to the Adobe forums. Granted, the quantities of Adobe Users >> C1 Users.
The vast majority of posts on the Lr 3 forum are people complaining about the slowness/bugginess/resource-hoginess of the software though (issues which don't affect me at all, incidentally).
It's significant that you don't see much, if any, of that here: relatively few actual complaints about the functioning of the software.0 -
I am beginning to sound like a fanboy, but I think our trumpets for C1 should be louder!
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