I really, really want to use Capture 1 but the file system -
I really, really want to use Capture One Pro but I cannot get past your file "control" system. I do not do studio work, I do not think in terms of sessions, I do not have clients to present to, and I am happy with my RAW importing, renaming and cataloguing procedures using another program and I want to continue to do so.
How can I, if I can, ‘simply’ open one RAW NEF file, modify it, and save it back to a sub-folder off of the original source folder? Is this really too much to ask for? Please do not insist on reorganizing my work flow for me. I’ve been doing quite well for years working the way I do and I do not need help with my work flow and file structure. No new folders, no importing of all 800 images of grizzly bears from the day’s shooting, just let me open an image from "Travel>2013 Khutz>2013-05-25", use your excellent product to produce a really fine TIF, and save the TIF to my WORK sub-folder "Travel>2013 Khutz>2013-05-25>Work".
If I did not recognize Capture One as the superior RAW converter on the market I would not bother to keep trying to find a way to include it in my work flow. Please accept this post as an expression of frustration that I cannot find a way to make it work for me.
Cal ☹️
How can I, if I can, ‘simply’ open one RAW NEF file, modify it, and save it back to a sub-folder off of the original source folder? Is this really too much to ask for? Please do not insist on reorganizing my work flow for me. I’ve been doing quite well for years working the way I do and I do not need help with my work flow and file structure. No new folders, no importing of all 800 images of grizzly bears from the day’s shooting, just let me open an image from "Travel>2013 Khutz>2013-05-25", use your excellent product to produce a really fine TIF, and save the TIF to my WORK sub-folder "Travel>2013 Khutz>2013-05-25>Work".
If I did not recognize Capture One as the superior RAW converter on the market I would not bother to keep trying to find a way to include it in my work flow. Please accept this post as an expression of frustration that I cannot find a way to make it work for me.
Cal ☹️
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You can use the “System Folders†panel in the Library tab to navigate to the folders containing your images. I’m not sure, but I think this should also work with the Express version of Capture One.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2968061/Screen%20Shot%202013-07-24%20at%2008.19.35%20AM.jpg
Depending on your operating system, it might be possible to add an »open with« option to your file manager.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2968061/Screen%20Shot%202013-07-24%20at%2008.23.09%20AM.png
Hope this helps,
-Sascha0 -
To me it sounds like you should use 1 session, and never change it. Then navigate to the folder you want like described in the previous post.
When processing, set your recipe to output to image root -> sub folder.
Very simple but effective workflow.0 -
hey cal,
it sounds that i have the same problem like you. Please read my topic "reintegrate exported files into catalog" from Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:00 pm.
what i dream of is a function in the browser like we have with the varieties, which you can switch on (show RAWfile + all varieties) and close (show just the RAWfile), but with exported files. When you export from catalog there should be created a subfolder in the original RAW-destination (or whrere ever) and an instant appearance of the exported files in the catalog.
Sorry i have no idea ... but good to know to be not the only one with this problem. Like nggalai wrote, using a single session for all your photos might be a solution, but is not equivalent to all the catalog functions.
- flow0 -
Thanks for the ideas, but no cookie. I upgraded to CO Pro 7 for the additional functions.
I have 1.7TB of image files and if I do one big “Session Folder†I get a 1.7TB database file (All Images Session.cosessiondb). If I Import my images to a Catalog, I have the option of leaving the file where they are. “NNN634914354277740625†seems to want what I have in mind: I just want to simply open a RAW file, modify it, and save a TIFF to a subdirectory off of the original source file’s directory. Period.
This software is wonderful for producing butter smooth images from RAW files but why-o-why must the company insist upon dictating how I must manage my images? I do get it that it is a great workflow for session shoots, organizing client contracts, and producing presentations. But I don’t do any of this.
If anyone from Phase One is reading this, how about giving us simple folk the option of being simple: “open†from where I want (no importing) and “save†to where I want (no sessions, no catalogs, no trash, no extraneous folders at all). The only extra that I would want is to be able to “save to open†in PS. Maybe even link to PS and replace Camera RAW like PhotoNinga does. Your sales would definitely go up.
Cal0 -
I've been a LR user since version 1. It's come a long way since then, but it still has so far to go! They finally seem to have a grip on noise but it still has a long way to go. With the newer cameras, noise isn't really an issue anymore but dig out some of your old fav's from years gone by and you'll see that LR is still plagued by poor noise control. I have fought bluish color cast in LR forevery and found myself constantly adjusting it. Then there's the workflow. I can't adjust or rearrange anything and you have to scoll everywhere to get to a tool. And finally, the catalog. I'm a folder guy and never being able to just open a file without importing it really drove me crazy. I could never, ever understand why Adobe couldn't give me the option to open a file and play with it. I had to use Camera RAW to do that.
I recently, bought Capture One 7. I test drove it years ago when I was looking for a RAW converter for my Kodak SLRn and Fuji S5. It didn't support the SLRn and had to ditch it then because of it. Now that I use a D800/D700 combo I had to see how CO7 compared to LR. First I found that I wasn't forced to use the catalog system and then discovered that I didn't really need to use the sessions either. For example, it I wanted to look at some files on my compact flash card, all I would have to do is browse over to the file and look at it. I could never do that with LR. Then when I did open it, I went WOW! Look at the skin tones! Gone are the blue aliens! I have found that the HR and shadow recovery tools are on par with LR's and the noise control is better too. I would love to see a threshold tool for HR and shadow recovery so that I can pinpoint the areas I want to target more precisely. Another great tool that I missed in LR was Keystoning. I couldn't believe what a fabulaous tool that is. I know LR5 has it now.
If workflow is your thing, then I found CO7 blows the doors off of LR. I can create a tab that has all my everyday tool all in one location without the anoying scrolling. I setup one of the tabs to have WB, sharpening and rotation and cropping all in order. Try doing that with LR. Since then, I've started using the sessions to manage my files. It's quick compact and fast. Much faster than LR for sure. Every once in a while, I had to spend a great deal of time cleaning out the catalog because I had moved the files from one location to another. LR's browser wasn't designed to move files around, but assumes that they will be in the same location forever.
Things I'd like to see improved in CO 7 would be a better spotting tool. Frankly it terrible and light years behind LR's. I'd like to double click on a file in the browser mode and see it come up in the viewer. You can't do that now. Speed of rendering could be impoved in the viewer too. LR is much better than that. Finally, I'd like to have ALL th tools available to me in the layers mode. That would help when you need to target a particular area while leaving the rest of the file alone.
Since I got CO7, I no longer use LR at all. The color, no catalog hassle and exceptional file rendering has made LR obsolete. I occasionaly go it to LR to compare the same file to see which one is better and always pick CO. As a people photographer, Skin tones are paramount and CO has great skin tones and excellent WB to control them.
Hope this helps.
Paul0 -
Cal, when using sessions, there’s no need to import your files to the session. Just open an empty session and use the Folder Panel to move to the images you want to edit. (Or right-click, open with Capture One in your file manager.) That’s all.
If you navigate to a folder that wasn’t imported to the session, but simply reached by browsing the Folder Panel, Capture One will create a subfolder “Capture One“ with sub folders for preview images and CO settings. When working like this, the session folder structure (the one created when you open a new session) is only used for session favorites, Selects, and as default output location for processed files.
Hope this helps,
-Sascha0 -
[quote="nggalai" wrote:
C When working like this, the session folder structure (the one created when you open a new session) is only used for session favorites, Selects, and as default output location for processed files.
Plus it is worth emphasising that you don't have to use them in sessions.
Favourites are just quick references, "Selects" are entirely optional, "trash" is self explanatory and just a variation of system trash that offers a chance to change your mind whilst still within C1 and "Output" is again for convenience but you can over ride the default or, as with Selects, change the default to a folder of your choosing whilst retaining the keyboard shortcut.
HTH.
Grant Perkins0 -
Was trying CaptureOne because of not being happy with the way Ligtroom is handling my workflow, and look! this here is the same. I completly subscribe your complaints.
Looks like all manufacturers of raw software want us to be all the same, and work the same way, which is (in my opinion) not the right way.
I am now using Capture NX (Nikon) where I can choose my own work method, and I think I will stay there.
I found out how to import only one picture, but afterwards storing is a crime. One has to completely write the complete name and number of each picture for every picture one wants to store.....0 -
[quote="NNN635115698223901528" wrote:
Was trying CaptureOne because of not being happy with the way Ligtroom is handling my workflow, and look! this here is the same. I completly subscribe your complaints.
Looks like all manufacturers of raw software want us to be all the same, and work the same way, which is (in my opinion) not the right way.
I am now using Capture NX (Nikon) where I can choose my own work method, and I think I will stay there.
I found out how to import only one picture, but afterwards storing is a crime. One has to completely write the complete name and number of each picture for every picture one wants to store.....
???
Is your last comment in relation to Capture One or Nikon's Capture NX?
If it's about Capture One I don't understand what you are saying.
If it's about NX I can't comment as I have never used it.
Grant Perkins0 -
I am in agreement with the original poster (Cal). I installed the trial version of Capture 1 Pro 7.1.3 64-bit and immediately discovered some problems. You are very clearly encouraged to add your photographs to a catalog or a session, and frankly I can find no other way to open and work on an image file. As a long time programmer and software developer (29 years) as well as commercial photographer, I interpret "catalog" to mean a list that wouldn't and shouldn't contain the originals. An archive contains actual things but a catalog is just a list of things that reside elsewhere. So I was confused by the use of the word "Import" when adding images to a catalog, and baffled by the amount of time it took to "catalog" a particular directory tree of images. I have a 4th generation Intel i7 CPU (4 real/8 virtual cores) with 8 gigs of memory and a 1TB disk. Creating a list shouldn't take much time at all but this seemed to take forever. I looked for a way to undo or delete the catalog I had created. No such feature as far as I can see.
Next, to learn about the features in C1 I experimented with processing various raw files from old CRW files to the latest CR2 files from my Canon 5D and 6D cameras. I spent a few hours working on a variety of images, testing various features and techniques. I was disappointed that Capture 1 doesn't seem to have any simple painting features like Photoshop does. I do studio table-top photography and sometimes I need to remove things showing in the foreground or background such as an unwanted shadow, some monofilament or other gear used to hold an object or modify the light, etc., and Photoshop makes that easy with a variety of tools.
During my testing, all of a sudden Windows 8 complained that Capture 1 was using too much memory and that I should close it. I tried to close some other programs that were idle but never got that far before the computer crashed. The error logs reported that C1 had used up all available memory (physical and virtual) to the point that the OS became unstable. This is totally unacceptable. This is version 7 of this software and they don't even have a limit on how much of available memory it will take? It is clear the program has a memory leak because there is no need to keep allocating more and more memory when I am only working on one image at a time. I've used various versions of Photoshop for 18 years and it works just fine for hours and hours of continuous processing, on computers with far less memory, and has never crashed any of my computers.
I've never liked Lightroom but I like using Adobe Bridge to manage my image archive and the simple fact that it launches Adobe Camera Raw when I click on a raw file or sends the file to Photoshop if it is something else like a .tif or .psd file. It is simple and straightforward, allowing a very fast and flexible work flow, tethered or not. However, I really don't like Adobe's new subscription pricing scheme where you rent the software at $50/month -- forever, and have to have an internet connection to keep the subscription alive. No thanks.
I hope these Capture 1 issues are addressed because I would really like to use C1, but for now, these issues and problems have scared me off.
--Richard0 -
Richard,
If you use a session there is no need to import anything although you can do so as a sort of 'mass registration of images'. Importation allows preset parameters to be applied, naming to be defined and so on, so can be very useful. It also sets up some handy folders for ready and fast access as you work through files but making use of them is entirely optional. You can always go your own way if that is what you prefer.
I prefer sessions to catalogues. Catalogues were one of the main reasons I lost interest in LightRoom after experiencing version 1. That said C1 catalogues do at least allow you to reference your original files leaving them outside any catalogue you may choose reference to them. Embedding them, as per the original LightRoom concept as I recall, makes the entire file much larger (especially in these days of comparatively huge files) but means there is only one file to back up and some people may prefer that.
If you want to delete a catalogue just delete it. If you have embedded the originals you may want to make some prior decisions about that. But if not, just delete it if that's what you want to do. Windows File manager is all that is required.
Capture One has never claimed to be a graphics based application as Photoshop was before it started to go big in photos as part of the broader developments in the Adobe suite of applications. Whilst there are some techniques available in C1 for dealing with fixes if you need the full features of image editing offered by Photoshop then you are looking for a different or additional package, presumably one that will avoid, long term, any adoption of the Adobe subscription model and survive as a commercially viable application. Whether that will change for C1 in the future only the Phase management will know.
I can't speak for a Windows 8 environment but I have Win 7 Pro running with 24Gb RAM and have to have multiple applications or multiple instances of C1 open for it to get above half that capacity. For the first 2 months running Version 7 (new machine for me) it had 8Gb Ram installed and no problems and still only maxed out once when I had some significant memory grab going on by Internet Explorer. It sounds like you had something strange going on but whether it was some processing anomaly that led to runaway memory usage or something related to Win 8 specifically would be interesting to know. Did you create a case with the Capture One support team so they could investigate?
I get the impression that you would really rather stick with what you know and like which is entirely reasonable. But if you feel that Adobe will not be rethinking their subscription model and you cannot justify the cost (even with, I assume, some tax write-offs from your commercial business) when compared to buying application licences periodically, then I sympathise but I'm not sure you will find the divorce easy whichever way you go. An 18 year relationship will carry a lot of history that is difficult to offload.
I hope these thoughts help you in some way.
Grant Perkins0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
I am now using Capture NX (Nikon) where I can choose my own work method, and I think I will stay there.
I found out how to import only one picture, but afterwards storing is a crime. One has to completely write the complete name and number of each picture for every picture one wants to store.....
???
Is your last comment in relation to Capture One or Nikon's Capture NX?
If it's about Capture One I don't understand what you are saying.
If it's about NX I can't comment as I have never used it.
Grant Perkins[/quote]
In capture one I have to re-enter number and name to save it, in case I only open one picture, was my experience.
Nikon's Capture NX gives the opportunity to open and safe a file with no altering of the title....0 -
I am running Win 8 Pro on a i7 machine with 32Gb of Ram, Tital Graphics Card and several SSD drives. When I setup a catalogue for all my CR2 Canon images I thought after using Lightroom for years it would take a 20 or so minutes to imports those images. It took 2 days. I stopped it in the end as I did have 47000 images. When I went to delete them and start again I can only delete 1000 at a time and even them the program locks up and I needed to use the Task Manager to close CO7 when it locked up.
I have bought the program and it brasses me off that I have bought a lemon. I even resorted back to Digital Photo Professional to create .tif files from my Canon Raw and really can't tell much difference from the CO7 conversions.
I upgraded to Lightroom 5 and it is fast and imported all my files in less than an hour.
What surprises me the most is the lack of replies from the CO7 team when I read all the problems users are having with this software. I also am an ex-software programmer and I would be embarrassed with what is happening to what was years ago an exceptional program.0 -
[quote="NNN635115698223901528" wrote:
Was trying CaptureOne because of not being happy with the way Ligtroom is handling my workflow, and look! this here is the same. I completly subscribe your complaints.
Looks like all manufacturers of raw software want us to be all the same, and work the same way, which is (in my opinion) not the right way.
I am now using Capture NX (Nikon) where I can choose my own work method, and I think I will stay there.
I found out how to import only one picture, but afterwards storing is a crime. One has to completely write the complete name and number of each picture for every picture one wants to store.....
Capture NX writes the changes back into the NEF file. Other raw convertors cannot do this, they have to store the changes (instructions) in another file (XMP sidecar) or a database. This is why they have to use a catalog or a session.0 -
I sympathise. And I agree that we should be getting some feedback from Phase One on whether they are trying to fix C1 or just leaving us to make the best of it.
I tried to use v7.1.4, the most recent version, but it kept crashing all over the place. However I got a tip-off to use 7.1.3 instead, and I am finding this very robust in Session mode. (I have no experience of Catalog mode.)
If all your travails were with 7.1.4 you may wish to give 7.1.3 a try. You can get a copy from the archive part of the C1 website.
Good luck!0 -
I’ve been using Capture One since the first light version became available and I was satisfied with the file system and never gave it a second thought. After switching to the Pro version with many upgrades Capture One Pro 7 came out with its abortion file system that was full of bugs and I never knew when it might crash.
After several updates many of the bugs are gone but it’s still unpredictable. On opening the program I often find my session’s folders are not displayed and have to go through the routine of opening up the drive and favorite folder directories. This Catalog system (?) is the same reason I never use Light Room but I put up with CO7 because it is so good at rendering RAW files. If Phase One offered the same directory system that they used in the beginning I’d be very happy. I have my own filing system that has served me well for 11 years and I certainly don’t need Catalogs and Sessions is far from totally dependable.
My other gripe is the lack of GOOD documentation. The current info available barely skims the surface and the videos are such poor quality they are almost useless although subtitles might help!0 -
[quote="Cal" wrote:
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How can I, if I can, ‘simply’ open one RAW NEF file, modify it, and save it back to a sub-folder off of the original source folder?
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1. Create a session for editing single images. Name it "Edit Session" for instance. Since you'll be creating it simply for editing, ignore all the organising features of sessions, and ignore importing (assuming that the image is already on your harddrive).
2. Navigate to the file using the Library tab/System Folders, and click on it the the browser. It will open in the Viewer.
3. Edit the image to your heart's content. CO7 will keep track of adjustments made, even if you exit the program. No saving necessary.
4. In the end you'll want to create a converted image file, such as a tif or a jpg. To accomplish this click on the Output tab to create a recipe for the conversion. The number of options here are a bit daunting, but basically you only need to select the output format (like jpg), and on the file tab, a) for Root Folder, select the Image Folder option, b) name the Sub Folder. Press the Process button.
I hope this helps some to come to terms with CO7.
Cheers,
Mogens0 -
[quote="Glenn101" wrote:
If Phase One offered the same directory system that they used in the beginning I’d be very happy. I have my own filing system that has served me well for 11 years and I certainly don’t need Catalogs and Sessions is far from totally dependable.
Not sure I understand what you are referring to with the directory system. As far as I understand there have always been sessions from day 1. The light versions were fixed to the default session and as a result many were unaware of it.
You still can use this method today. Stick with a single session and browse your system folders.0
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