C1 v8 Color manegement
I have some doubts about how Capture one do the color manegement..
I shot in RAW with my Sony camera, my monitor is sRGB calibrated with Xrite, and the profile is loaded in windows color setup.
-C1 will "translate" all the colors in the RAW files to the ones that my monitor can show me, while I am editing the raw files, or only after I save the finished raw to a sRGB space?
What is the right use of camera profiles in C1 with RAW files? I never shot in jpg, but in the camera setup I choose AdobeRGB (My Sony is a SLT camera, the camera show me the jpg histogram and image through the viewfinder, so I choose the big color space to preview the photos.) Is the space color embeded in the RAW file? C1 will use this space or the selected camera profile? Or the monitor profile?
Is a little confuse to me.
I shot in RAW with my Sony camera, my monitor is sRGB calibrated with Xrite, and the profile is loaded in windows color setup.
-C1 will "translate" all the colors in the RAW files to the ones that my monitor can show me, while I am editing the raw files, or only after I save the finished raw to a sRGB space?
What is the right use of camera profiles in C1 with RAW files? I never shot in jpg, but in the camera setup I choose AdobeRGB (My Sony is a SLT camera, the camera show me the jpg histogram and image through the viewfinder, so I choose the big color space to preview the photos.) Is the space color embeded in the RAW file? C1 will use this space or the selected camera profile? Or the monitor profile?
Is a little confuse to me.
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[quote="NNN635656747947842588" wrote:
I have some doubts about how Capture one do the color manegement..
how about starting with RTFM, with a help topic like this = http://help.phaseone.com/en/CO8/Output/ ... e-One.aspx[quote="NNN635656747947842588" wrote:
What is the right use of camera profiles in C1 with RAW files?
the right use is to use the one that you like in terms the of the end results 🙄 , even if it is not technically for your camera... otherwise if you have a "Standard" profile for your Sony model then it shall be more pleasing (allegedly such profiles were specifically created /so probably some more thought was put into that profile vs "Generic" profile, not that "Generic" is always bad or worse, but still.../ by P1 after some deal was reached between P1 and Sony for a special version of C1 to be used and recommended by Sony as the OEM raw converter)[quote="NNN635656747947842588" wrote:
I never shot in jpg, but in the camera setup I choose AdobeRGB (My Sony is a SLT camera, the camera show me the jpg histogram and image through the viewfinder, so I choose the big color space to preview the photos.)
Is the space color embeded in the RAW file?
for your camera AdobeRGB you selected is used for OOC JPG and JPG thumbnails embedded in raw files... does not affect raw data for Sony SLT cameras or subsequent raw conversion by C1...0 -
I really read this help topic.
But there is no answer to the main question:
-C08 uses my monitor profile to show the RAW files only with colors that my monitor can show while I am editing?
The help topic only say CO8 works internally with a large space of color, close to camera sensor... but I can´t see all this colors in my monitor.0 -
The colors of the raw-file are interpreted via the Camera profile for that specific camera. The end-result color-profile is defined by the output space you choose. This profile-representation is also used when showing the image in the Viewer. 0 -
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
The colors of the raw-file are interpreted via the Camera profile for that specific camera. The end-result color-profile is defined by the output space you choose. This profile-representation is also used when showing the image in the Viewer.
Even when I open the RAW for first time and editing? Before I finish the image?
So I must choose sRGB space for output to see the right colors while editing...
CO8 don´t use my monitor profile for nothing?0 -
Windows handles your screen-profile, not CO. Exactly like with Photoshop i.e.
I think you have to read up a bit on how general color management works on Windows, that would make it a lot easier for you to understand what is going on.0 -
[quote="NNN635656747947842588" wrote:
I really read this help topic.
But there is no answer to the main question:
-C08 uses my monitor profile to show the RAW files only with colors that my monitor can show while I am editing?
naturally if your monitor can't show some colors then no program can make it to show them as they should be (on top of that some valid coordinates in some color spaces are actually not colors for a human, etc)
on Windows platform software has to be written in a proper way (raw converters typically are, albeit you can screw things in their settings in some of them) to interact with OS to find out what is the display profile selected and then use CMS API (whatever CMS they are using) to translate "colors" for output (between what is the "RGB" coordinates of the color, for example, in the intended RGB color space to be displayed and what is actually sent to your output display device) using that display profile, so that your display will be displaying (if at all possible) the colors as they should look...
but at the same time software on Windows platform can ignore all those things and be written in a non color managed way - a very often situation with some web browser and image viewers - so the mere fact that you did everything properly on OS side does not mean that a particular software (not talking about C1) will be displaying colors using a proper translation with the color profile describing, for example, the color space of the image (embedded in JPG, TIFF, etc) and the profile describing your output device (display)0 -
[quote="NNN635656747947842588" wrote:
Even when I open the RAW for first time and editing? Before I finish the image?
there is no difference between the first time and the last time except possibly the difference in raw conversion parameters applied...[quote="NNN635656747947842588" wrote:
So I must choose sRGB space for output to see the right colors while editing...
if for example that is your actual intent[quote="NNN635656747947842588" wrote:
CO8 don´t use my monitor profile for nothing?
C1, as a properly written program on Windows platform, will be using that along with Windows API to achieve the proper display of your colors when possible (RGB coordinates in sRGB color space are not exactly what display shall receive in the end to display the color intended - so that's why you need to have a proper monitor profile /created and set in Windows and also its data properly loaded in either display driver LUTs or hardware LUTs on display side - there were and possibly still are issues when that data are being lost - you can google things like : Intel graphics color profile problems.... so the life on Windows platform requires constant attention/ along with the selection of a proper /according to your intent about the end result/ output color space in C1), within the limitations of your display of course.0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
C1, as a properly written program on Windows platform, will be using that along with Windows API to achieve the proper display of your colors when possible (RGB coordinates in sRGB color space are not exactly what display shall receive in the end to display the color intended - so that's why you need to have a proper monitor profile /created and set in Windows and also its data properly loaded in either display driver LUTs or hardware LUTs on display side - there were and possibly still are issues when that data are being lost - you can google things like : Intel graphics color profile problems.... so the life on Windows platform requires constant attention/ along with the selection of a proper /according to your intent about the end result/ output color space in C1), within the limitations of your display of course.
That was the main doubt... I was not sure if C1 was one of the "properly written" programs that use windows API and my monitor profile to show me the colors as real as possible, and that is what I can´t find in phase one help topic. Because they speak about their own "color space" but no word about how is this translated to the monitor output.
Thanks for clarify.0
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