To sharpen or not to sharpen in Capture One?
I have posted a similar question on the Luminous Landscape forum, but I would like to get the opinions of experts on this forum as well.
I am familiar with the concept of multi-stage sharpening. Typically, I do no sharpening in the RAW stage, but use Nik's Sharpener Pro for pre-sharpening immediately after conversion to TIFF and for output sharpening as a final step. The Capture One 5 User's Guide even states:
"When an image is destined for post-production or retouching in other
software, it is recommend processing the image without sharpening applied."
Nonetheless, Capture One 5 contains two pre-sharpening defaults. When, if ever, should these defaults be used, since doing so would seem to contradict Capture One's own recommendation not to sharpen in the RAW stage? I am probably not the only one who is confused on this topic.
Rob
I am familiar with the concept of multi-stage sharpening. Typically, I do no sharpening in the RAW stage, but use Nik's Sharpener Pro for pre-sharpening immediately after conversion to TIFF and for output sharpening as a final step. The Capture One 5 User's Guide even states:
"When an image is destined for post-production or retouching in other
software, it is recommend processing the image without sharpening applied."
Nonetheless, Capture One 5 contains two pre-sharpening defaults. When, if ever, should these defaults be used, since doing so would seem to contradict Capture One's own recommendation not to sharpen in the RAW stage? I am probably not the only one who is confused on this topic.
Rob
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I sharpen in C1, even though I'll continue processing in other software - I subscribe to the view that "capture" sharpening is best done at the RAW stage.
Besides, I rather like the quality of the C1 sharpening algorithm.
I don't use the presets though.0 -
There is no single answer for sharpening an image because there are too many variables in post production. Considerations such as reproduction size & resolution, offset printing or web display, inkjet output at certain sizes & resolutions are all variables that define what the sharpening process on an image should be. And that's not even considering your own aesthetic preferences.
I do like C1's pre-sharpening pre-sets and use them or modified versions of them for my own output.0 -
I find it very confusing that Capture One provides pre-sharpening presets, yet seems to advise against using them if the image will be edited in some other program. It would be very helpful if someone from Phase One would join in this discussion to provide some clarification.
Personally, I think that the C1-5 default sharpening looks great on my monitor, but that does not necessarily mean that it would look great in prints.
Rob0 -
[quote="robgo2" wrote:
Personally, I think that the C1-5 default sharpening looks great on my monitor, but that does not necessarily mean that it would look great in prints.
Time for some testing! 😉0 -
I generally tell people to pre-sharpen in CO so that the image appears to be in focus. Final sharpening is always a matter of final output so if you are printing it is better to do your final sharpening in Photoshop as that sharpening needs to be based on how your printer renders the image on paper. If you are going to a final output size in capture one and already know how it is going to be rendered (web or print), then you might consider sharpening in CO. But in most print based situations, save it for when you make your actual prints, or leave it for your color-separator (for press). 0 -
[quote="Jon" wrote:
I generally tell people to pre-sharpen in CO so that the image appears to be in focus. Final sharpening is always a matter of final output so if you are printing it is better to do your final sharpening in Photoshop as that sharpening needs to be based on how your printer renders the image on paper. If you are going to a final output size in capture one and already know how it is going to be rendered (web or print), then you might consider sharpening in CO. But in most print based situations, save it for when you make your actual prints, or leave it for your color-separator (for press).
John,
Thanks for the input. I would suggest that you revise the Capture One Users' Guide either to remove or qualify the statement about not sharpening in C1 if further editing in another program is anticipated.
Rob0 -
[quote="Jon" wrote:
I generally tell people to pre-sharpen in CO so that the image appears to be in focus. Final sharpening is always a matter of final output so if you are printing it is better to do your final sharpening in Photoshop as that sharpening needs to be based on how your printer renders the image on paper. If you are going to a final output size in capture one and already know how it is going to be rendered (web or print), then you might consider sharpening in CO. But in most print based situations, save it for when you make your actual prints, or leave it for your color-separator (for press).
What are the best settings to pre-sharpen the image?0 -
[quote="Maggie12" wrote:
[quote="Jon" wrote:
I generally tell people to pre-sharpen in CO so that the image appears to be in focus. Final sharpening is always a matter of final output so if you are printing it is better to do your final sharpening in Photoshop as that sharpening needs to be based on how your printer renders the image on paper. If you are going to a final output size in capture one and already know how it is going to be rendered (web or print), then you might consider sharpening in CO. But in most print based situations, save it for when you make your actual prints, or leave it for your color-separator (for press).
What are the best settings to pre-sharpen the image?
As the person who originally started this thread, I am certainly not an expert on the subject, but I have been doing some experimentation. I find that if I apply either Pre-sharpening 1 or 2 along with a moderate level of Clarity in Capture One, I get output for further editing in PS that is not overly sharpened. I then use Nik's Sharpener Pro 3 for a touch of Pre-sharpening immediately after processing to TIFF and later for final Output sharpening. This approach seems to work nicely and produces few artifacts. I see it as performing gentle sharpening at multiple stages. One of the nice things about the Nik tool is how easy it is to sharpen selectively. Many experts are far more obsessive about sharpening than I and have very specific schemes that they have worked out. Their results may be better, but I prefer to keep it simple.
Rob0 -
[quote="robgo2" wrote:
[quote="Maggie12" wrote:
[quote="Jon" wrote:
I generally tell people to pre-sharpen in CO so that the image appears to be in focus. Final sharpening is always a matter of final output so if you are printing it is better to do your final sharpening in Photoshop as that sharpening needs to be based on how your printer renders the image on paper. If you are going to a final output size in capture one and already know how it is going to be rendered (web or print), then you might consider sharpening in CO. But in most print based situations, save it for when you make your actual prints, or leave it for your color-separator (for press).
What are the best settings to pre-sharpen the image?
As the person who originally started this thread, I am certainly not an expert on the subject, but I have been doing some experimentation. I find that if I apply either Pre-sharpening 1 or 2 along with a moderate level of Clarity in Capture One, I get output for further editing in PS that is not overly sharpened. I then use Nik's Sharpener Pro 3 for a touch of Pre-sharpening immediately after processing to TIFF and later for final Output sharpening. This approach seems to work nicely and produces few artifacts. I see it as performing gentle sharpening at multiple stages. One of the nice things about the Nik tool is how easy it is to sharpen selectively. Many experts are far more obsessive about sharpening than I and have very specific schemes that they have worked out. Their results may be better, but I prefer to keep it simple.
Rob
What is pre-sharpening 1 or 2?0 -
What is pre-sharpening 1 or 2?
Maggie,
In the Sharpening module (found under the Details tab in the Toolbar,) open the menu under the downward pointing triangle. There you will find a number of default sharpening modes provided by C1.
Rob0 -
[quote="robgo2" wrote:
What is pre-sharpening 1 or 2?
Maggie,
In the Sharpening module (found under the Details tab in the Toolbar,) open the menu under the downward pointing triangle. There you will find a number of default sharpening modes provided by C1.
Rob
Thanks Rob! Never knew there were presets.0
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