Help with reorganising images accross folders
I have say, three folders with up to 200 RAW files in with no consistent file-naming/numbering system. Every image is individually adjusted and processed some with crop/rotations and other than White Balance, every one has a different variant.
I want to take almost all of those images, keep their individual processing variants, put them all in one folder with a new name/number. I'm worried about losing all the work setting them up.
Can I do it?
How can I proceed and stay organised?
Thanks for your help.
Martin.
PS Some of the processing occured in CO 3.7.4
I want to take almost all of those images, keep their individual processing variants, put them all in one folder with a new name/number. I'm worried about losing all the work setting them up.
Can I do it?
How can I proceed and stay organised?
Thanks for your help.
Martin.
PS Some of the processing occured in CO 3.7.4
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Well, this is an easy one to explain, and not very difficult to execute as well. The main issue here is of course what happens to the adjustments done in Capture One when you renaming the image files afterwards.
For CO 3.x/Win the good news is that the relation between the image and the adjustments IS NOT related to the image's file name. In other words, feel free to rename your image and CO3 will maintain the adjustments when it is opened afterwards.
For CO 4.x/Win the image and its adjustment IS connected by the image file name. So if your rename your image file, rename your settings file likewise. Flush the Cache folder with previews, they will be rebuild with the file's new name automatically.
I guess next time you will do the renaming before you open Capture One 😉0 -
Yep....and that's one of the hardest things to swallow. Renaming after editing/deleting allowed a complete numerical sequence....although I'm seeing the advantages of variants in the workflow as I mush through the changes in COne.
Might just be a good tradeoff.....0 -
Oops! I think I've been a little misunderstood.
Each folder is a project. The new folder is a new project which amalgamates the three in to one. Each project folder has a folder of named images in numerical sequence. There's about three years between folder one and folder three. My question was really about bringing the three folders together to kind of treat them as one job. I do things differently now to what I did three years ago.
I take pictures of an artists pictures. Each time I do so, I might re-shoot some that either, he has changed a bit or we think I can improve on the previous shot. So now I have these folders (acatually there are more than three) where some are repeats, some are required and some are not and the selection is down to him. Each folder has images with individual edits (variants?).
I want to keep my original folders. I want to amalgamate all of the folders into one and name them in sequence and keep their individual edits. Then I want to delete the duplicates and present the artist with a revised list of images for the new project (a web gallery). At the moment we have this range of sources folders, and he says can I have that one and it takes me half an hour to work out which one it is!
See?
I'm not the most organised person you'll ever meet....
Martin0 -
As far as I understand your second post, I think my first post in this thread still stands. I explained the basics about how CO3 and 4 work with renaming images in relation to their adjustments. Whatever you re-organisation of folder structure and image file renaming will be, the basics remain unchanged.
Should not know how I can help you further, sorry.0 -
Yes thanks Paul...
I don't know how to flush previews.
If I have images edited in CO 3 does CO 4 not jiggle those edits so they become CO 4 edits - if you see what I mean?
I want to end up with one folder with the narrowed down list then reproces them all in one hit rather than doing it bit by bit. It's the organising thing I am having trouble with.
1) copy all folders to new destination.
2) Open each folder in CO 4 and delete unwanted files
3) combine all remaining files into one folder
4) rename all files with new job and number
5) process files
Sorry to appear so dense.
Martin0 -
Martin,
I think I can help you with some more tips or do's and don'ts.
First, moving as well as deleting images from one folder to another is done best from Capture One (both 3 and 4), not from Windows Explorer. The reason behind this is that when you move an image, CO4 moves the adjustments with it (CO3 has a central location for that, does not move). When you delete an image from within CO3/4, both the preview and the settings files are deleted with it.
Next, flushing previews from CO3 is done best from its Preferences, Preview Cache tab, button below "Clean up .. now". Best to be done after the move/delete actions.
There is no migration of or interaction between CO3/CO4 edits. You could regard this as a missing feature in CO4. So if you decide to migrate to CO4 entirely, you have to redo the edits you have done with CO3.
I am exited to hear about the results 😉 !0 -
Not what I wanted to hear but sounds like the advice I needed - that's the story of my life!
I'm disappointed about the migration from 3 to 4 but looks like I'll have to live with it. I think I am going to re-edit everything in 4 in which case, the organisation is easier because I'll just import the old files into a the folder with the new CO4 edits.
Kind regards
Martin0 -
I expect this'll be my last question on this...
So now I have all my images in 4 folders each one with seperate adjustments. I want to put them all in one folder with a new filename/number but I want them in the order they are in so folder one would be thisjob001_date.CR2 up to thisjob064_date.CR2 and folder two would be thisjob_065.CR2 and so on.
I will have to use another program to batch rename them which I guess I can do in Photoshop quite easily.
I can see that each folder has a >CaptureOne>Settings folder and a >CaptureOne>Cache>Proxies folder that both have files in that are related to the images.
One has .cos files in and the other has .cop files in and there are moe .cos files than there are .cop files
I have to take those files and somehow make them relate to the renamed imagefiles. Not sure if PS will let me do that if they're not images?
Which way to go?
Thanks
Martin0 -
Martin,
The .cop files are the previews and are best deleted or neglected when you rename: CO4 will generate them again when you open the folder later.
The .cos files contain the settings or adjustments. These are important of course and must be renamed exactly in line with the pictures. Check whether their is a .cos file for each image. CO4 creates those files only when you adjust an image, so there could be one missing.
I have no experience with Photoshop or Bridge batch rename options (which improve with every CSx version) but use (the more advanced) programs like Downloader Pro and PhotoMechanic. You could try each in trial mode (time-bombed but full featured). Do a test with a copy of your folders for obvious reasons. But maybe PS does the job already.
Note: Downloader Pro and PhotoMechanic are able to extract EXIF/IPTC metadata from an image and use that as a variable in the file name during rename and allow flexible formatting of the file name, plus sequence number (yes/no resettable) plus fixed text like job name or your initials. I think that is what you need.
In my workflow I use these kind of tools when importing and before opening CO.0 -
Done it!
Thank you for sticking with me on it. I don't think I would have managed it by working it out myself. One folder gave me jip because I didn't notice a couple of random .CRW files and was renaming on .CR2's mostly.
Finally got a beautifully organised folder of 140+ images all in sequence and ready for final approval and bulding into web site.
Thanks
Martin0 -
Congrats! Well done!! 0
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