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Panasonic G1 support

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Is there any hope to have Panasonic G1 supported in the next release ?

Thanks in advance

John
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  • Ulf Liljegren
    Next version no. Future version? To be honest I am not sure. So far panasonic s a brand we have not committed to even thou we do some Leica editions of Panasonic camera but this is when we have a commitment to Leica.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Thanks for your answer. IMHO you should not underestimate the impact and image quality of such a camera, which is the world first interchangeable lens bridge camera, featuring an image quality quite comparable to DLSRs and very good optics. It shares it's sensor with the forthcoming Olympus E-30...

    It's surprising that you nevertheless intend to support Canon G10 which image quality is clearly inferior compared to the Panasonic G1 one, due to it's much smaller sensor. I know, Canon is a name, but guess who is camera brand N°1 for sales in France : Panasonic... I'm sure PO team is not snobbish...

    Thanks in advance for considering supporting it.

    John
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  • Permanently deleted user
    May I add this excerpt of peterb on getdpi forum to convince you more ? Sooo, please PO team, think twice 😊 ....

    John

    Tonight I bought the January issue of Popular Photography with it's test of the G1. After reading the results summary I wondered what Pop Photo had found on some of the best of the best cameras they'd tested within the last year.

    Sooooo...going online I did a little study of the Popular Photography's tests of the G1, Canon 5D MkII, Canon 50D, Rebel, Nikon D3, D700, D300, D90, D60, Pentax 20D, Sony A900, A700, A300, Olympus E3 and E520.

    I think some of you may find the results quite eye opening and, of course, very promising:

    For overall image quality (ASA 100 - 400) the Lumix G1 matched the best of the best. According to Pop Photo..Excellent. (No higher ranking here).

    In terms of line resolution the G1 came in at 2370 and was bested by ONLY the Canon 5D Mk II (21 MP full frame DSLR coming in at 2820), the Canon 50D (a very impressive 2420 for but with a APS sized sensor with 15.1 MP) and, not surprisingly, the Sony A900 (with it's humongous 24.6 million pixels coming in at a whopping 3230). Interestingly enough the D700, D300 and D90 did not beat it (although they are easily within spitting distance.)

    Color accuracy? Hold on to your hats. The tiny G1 blew everyone away with the best score of the bunch. (In Pop Photo parlance the lower the score the better and the G1 came in at an uber low 6.21 rivaled at best by Canon's newest 5D.

    Noise: At ASA 100 and 200, the G1 is the champ. Bettered only slightly by the best of the best at ASA 400. (Now granted, after that, the G1 for the most part wilts like a potato chip in a cigar humidor. But the point is under certain conditions the G1 is formidable in the low noise department.)

    Is this camera as flawless up to the stratospheric ASA/ISO levels of some cameras going for several times its base price? No.

    But at certain levels (ASA 100 - 400) this camera is tough to beat. And with its resolution prowess well documented, put on some of this fine super-fast Leitz (or even Zeiss) glass and even with some low light deficiencies, with the right optics (like, say, a 0.95 Noctilux? Hmmmmm.) it again bodes well for some impressive low light performance within these ASA/ISO levels through 400.
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  • deejjjaaaa
    [quote="Jean cg" wrote:
    Tbut guess who is camera brand N°1 for sales in France : Panasonic... I'm sure PO team is not snobbish...

    how does it matter... look, for example DxO is even a French company - yet, they support Canon G9 and will support Canon G10, but not Panasonic 😉
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Yes, another vote for Panasonic G1 support. A new concept and a very interesting camera for both pro's and enthusiastic photographers dedicated to best image quality a box (small box in this case) can deliver. Fitting the Capture One user's profile very well, I guess.
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  • Ulf Liljegren
    What it is all about is commitment.
    Right now we support the entire G series from Canon which means we have committed both Canon as brand and the G series.

    I must say that this is a very interesting camera.
    But there is some behind the scene work that has to be done before commitment can be made to completely new platform which this is.

    Hopefully it will be implemented.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Thanks Ulf, I understand this needs some work.... I hope hopefully will gradually become likely and then certainly...

    Happy Christmas to PO team anyway...

    John
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  • Jack111
    Another vote for Panasonic G1 support.
    I have come to the conclusion that the G1 will be a great addition to my P45+/Mamiya tools. Please get her done!

    Thanks,

    Jack
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  • pderka
    I have a G1 and it is, as said, an interesting camera. The quality is pretty good, though those accolades are waay over the top. I really like it at iso 100 and 200 ... though that is about it.

    I believe that if panasonic does not drop the ball with lenses, that this platform just might thrive in ways that may surprise the established players. Then at that point I think it would make sense to add support (though I'd like it right now - but understand that it is quite premature at this point)

    If the sales take off ... I hope C1 takes a good look at it. 😊
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  • sorin
    a little offtopic...how about pentax k-m?
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  • deejjjaaaa
    [quote="Pavel1" wrote:


    If the sales take off ... I hope C1 takes a good look at it. 😊


    unless Leica will start selling a clone of it and you will need to resort to certain measures to use C1 w/ those raw files... like w/ LX3 now.
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  • deejjjaaaa
    [quote="sorin" wrote:
    a little offtopic...how about pentax k-m?

    can't you shoot .DNG files using Pentax Km ? I can use C1 for .DNG files from K20D - some minor things are not working (like PF correction) but everything else does work.
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  • sorin
    I will do that. But already I have PEF files that I want to develop. I have converted them to DNG using Adobe converter, but the white balance is waaaay off.
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  • oluv
    [quote="Ulf" wrote:
    Next version no. Future version? To be honest I am not sure. So far panasonic s a brand we have not committed to

    maybe i am naive or something, but why is there a need commit to Panasonic?

    there are enough raw-converters even open source ones that definitely don't have any commitment with panasonic and work well with G1 files.

    The only problem Adobe had so far with panasonic was that they were forced by Panasonic to include lens-distortion corrections into ACR and lightroom as well. The same is done with LX3 and D-Lux 4 files by the way. Capture One also applies distortion correction automatically to D-Lux 4 files, so it shoudln't be a problem to do the same with G1 RAWs if this is the only concern Panasonic has.

    I would be very pleased if Capture One supported the G1 as the output from Capture One is really one of the best i know. So far i have used the free Raw Therapee but it gives too many demosaicing artefacts with G1 files probably due to the weaker as usual anti aliasing filter.
    Now i use ACR, but i am not very happy about their internal hidden noise reduction routines that produce quite a blotchy and messy noise, even at lowest ISO.

    Another hope is that the future version of Adobe DNG converter will write "real" G1-DNG files, not those fake ones that have already been put through a whole demosaicing stage.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="Olaf" wrote:
    [quote="Ulf" wrote:
    Next version no. Future version? To be honest I am not sure. So far panasonic s a brand we have not committed to

    maybe i am naive or something, but why is there a need commit to Panasonic?

    I read a different message in Ulf's quoted line: whether Phase One will commit itself to support another brand and a line of models like that of the Canon PowerShot G-series. That will also involve some commitment from the manufacturer due to required information about the raw format to be able to provide such excellent quality you referred to. Another issue is the Phase One - Leica Camera AG commitment that may play a role. Leica and Panasonic make similar cameras and the deal with Leica might rule out Phase One going to be involved with Panasonic. Please be aware that this is speculation from my site. Just to explain how I read about Phase One's commitment. Will take some time.
    [quote="Olaf" wrote:
    Another hope is that the future version of Adobe DNG converter will write "real" G1-DNG files, not those fake ones that have already been put through a whole demosaicing stage.

    I believe that Adobe DNG Converter only demosaices when you convert to linear DNG.
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  • deejjjaaaa
    [quote="Paul_E" wrote:

    I believe that Adobe DNG Converter only demosaices when you convert to linear DNG.


    and when Panasonic includes lens correction information in its raw files... you can get normal .DNG file @ one focal length and linear .DNG file @ another focal length w/ the same body and lenses... that will be until Adobe will update its DNG standard, which will happen along w/ new Photoshop (CS5) and new ACR (ACR v6) converter.
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  • NN100582
    Well,
    As a new panasonic g1 and lx3(leica user) i also dont understand why there is no phase one support for these cameras and sincerely hope support will be seriously considered by this company.

    Walid Saad

    Lisbon,Portugal
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  • bwibwi
    Hello,

    New on the forum, I up this topic because more than 9 months later, no news about the G1 compatibility. There is now the GH1, GF1 and nothing coming... Fortunately there is Lightroom !

    I don't understand why PhaseOne is snubing Panasonic and the µ43 camera... I'm really waiting for a capture one release with G1 support...

    Cheers.
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  • deejjjaaaa
    [quote="bwibwi" wrote:

    I don't understand why PhaseOne is snubing Panasonic and the µ43 camera...


    you can do a search here and find the reason.

    now that exiftool supports read/write with .RW2 raw files you can do : "exiftool(-k).exe" -make="LEICA" -model="D-LUX 4" [your .rw2 raw file name] and use C1 w/ .RW2 raw files, you might need to get yourself a proper ICC/ICM profile though in addition.
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  • bwibwi
    Thanks, I didn't know ! Not easy though...
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  • deejjjaaaa
    [quote="bwibwi" wrote:
    Thanks, I didn't know ! Not easy though...

    very easy and you can always convert those raw files back - for example like this :

    "exiftool(-k).exe" -make="Panasonic" -model="DMC-GF1" [your .RW2 raw file name]
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  • deejjjaaaa
    congratulations,

    Panasonic G1 is now supported - C1V5 can open Panasonic G1 raw files w/o any patching and P1 included G1 profile in official distro !

    the question is - why not make it official ?
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  • Kit_L
    New member on this forum, but old on a number of others.

    Please, PO: another call for G1 support. No problem with the other great cameras you support, but an increasing number of photographers carry a G1 (or the new GF1; identical sensor; or the EP1; same sensor w/different jpg processing in-camera) with them all the time.

    µ4/3rds is here to stay, IMHO; so I urge you to think about support it, rather than specific brands, IF that is possible. TIA, kl
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  • Henry1
    since G1 does not have Leica equivalent, I believe the next update will include support for this and other Panasonic models that are not twinned with Leica's.
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  • deejjjaaaa
    Panasonic G1 is supported - C1v5 will see and open G1 raw files and it includes ICM/ICC profile supplied by P1 itself... just try it for yourself instead of reading what is "official".
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  • Henry1
    Unfortunately more than 1/2 of whatever Panasonic RAW filess will not appear. C1 sayd they are corrupted or not supported.
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  • deejjjaaaa
    [quote="Henry1" wrote:
    Unfortunately more than 1/2 of whatever Panasonic RAW filess will not appear. C1 sayd they are corrupted or not supported.


    oh, I see - it seems that P1 for whatever reason did not include (or disabled, whatever) support for 16:9 and 3:2 formats - only 4:3 format is supported... I did not notice that initially because I have only 4:3 raw files from G1... well, back to patching for 16:9 & 3:2 raw files to Leica then ( exiftool(-k).exe -make="LEICA" -model="D-LUX 4" *.rw2 ), but at least you can now use the genuine G1 icc/icm profile from P1... why 16:9 & 3:2 are not supported, while 4:3 is ? no problem to support all 3 formats for PanaLeica LX3/DLux4 .RW2 raw files though ?
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  • oluv
    i have never used an other than 4:3 format with my G1, but still more than 50% of my raw files don't open in C1.

    meanwhile i even prefer the output from the new lightroom 3beta. its noise structure is more natural than capture one's and color noise reduction is working like a charm now.
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  • deejjjaaaa
    [quote="oluv" wrote:
    i have never used an other than 4:3 format with my G1, but still more than 50% of my raw files don't open in C1.


    now that 5.0.1 with full official support for G1,GH1,GF1, EP1, EP2 is out that should be irrelevant, unless there is a bug
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  • oluv
    ah, i see. i was still playing with the 5.0 trial.
    so with the latest update all G1 files will work? what about GF1, GH1 etc?

    ok, now i checked and C1 still has the highlight recovery bug, that i reported half a year ago. they still haven't fixed it!

    highlight recovery only works with panasonic and Dlux-4 files if the image is zoomed out to 50%, as soon as you zoom in to 67% or output the file, the recovered areas become all grey. see example:
    http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8817/c1highlightrecovery.jpg

    so C1 is still no go for me!
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